# Does windows 10 have you frustrated? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 27, 2015, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512 "2015-12-27T23:03:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/42 "2015-12-28T20:39:30Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > Again, you can change the shell to look and act like anything you want. ClassicShell (free) will do the work for you if you don’t want to sift through the myriad of options but you don’t have to keep the user interface in the default state. My Windows 10 computer looks and acts just like Windows 7 with added functionality. There is not a tile in sight. > > The default user interface is not the operating system itself. [I was not kidding when I said you can make it look and act just like a Mac as well if you really wanted to](http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/windows-like-mac-osx.html). It has customization options for almost anything you can think of. Okay, that is seriously cool. Thank you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/43 "2015-12-28T21:04:20Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > A general comment to people frustrated with Win 10: get a book, like _Windows 10 For Dummies_ or something similar. > > It doesn’t mean you’re a dummy. I’ve been working with computers for 40 years, and Windows for nearly 30. Before I retired, I made a living writing fairly sophisticated system and application programs for Windows for a major corporation. Up through Windows 7, I would have rated myself extremely knowledgeable in all things Windows. > > And I literally had no clue how to do some very simple things when I first installed Windows 8. Maybe it made sense if you were used to I-phones or something, but it was completely unintuitive to me. I felt no shame at all in getting a book; I only felt a deep, burning hatred for Microsoft. No. no- it wasn’t you. That interface was ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/44 "2015-12-28T21:15:47Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Win 10, lightning fast compared to my last version. No complaints, no desire to go back. Upgraded from Win 8 on a new computer though, and it still took probably 2 hours. Did you have any problem acquiring drivers? ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/45 "2015-12-29T01:19:02Z")
> [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser](#): > > No. no- it wasn’t you. That interface was ridiculous. I’m equally “outraged” at all the minimalist applications like Google Chrome, that don’t have menus anymore. The whole point of Windows, the founding principle, the best thing in the world about it, was that you no longer had to learn a bunch of arbitrary key sequences when you bought a new program. Every program had a menu up at the top, with File Edit Options Help, and you knew where to go to do various stuff. What’s wrong with having people know how to use your program? Why on earth would you want people to be yelling at the screen when there is no indication of how to do basic things with your program? I just don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![JerrySTL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@JerrySTL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerrySTL)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/46 "2015-12-29T01:26:03Z")
I just bought a new Dell XPS last month with Windows 10 installed. I’ve been pretty impressed with it. There was some downloading up updates at first; however, I have a pretty good internet connection so it didn’t take long. I changed the settings to download after midnight. ---
**Author:** ![emcee2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emcee2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emcee2k)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/47 "2015-12-29T01:36:38Z")
My main frustration is that it can’t take a goddamn hint. No Windows 10, I don’t want you on my computer. And completely disabling Windows Update is not a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/48 "2015-12-29T02:08:11Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Did you have any problem acquiring drivers? When I did it, the new NVIDIA driver for win 10 was not available, so it used a generic driver until NVIDIA got the driver online. Other than that, all the other drivers were seamless. Like noted higher up in this thread, the install did stall somewhere around 32% and seemed to be locked, but it eventually finished. The only complaint I have is how much Win 10 is tied to Microsoft. Typically I ignore all that and all the requests to log on to X box or whatever it is if I want to play solitaire. Also, I use Chrome, so I’ve never tried the new browser. No need for it. I honestly find it fast, quick to boot, etc. If I had it to do all over, I’d upgrade to Win 10, but…IF Win 8 is running well for you, I don’t see that you’ll gain all that much. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/49 "2015-12-29T02:23:21Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > The whole point of Windows, the founding principle, the best thing in the world about it, was that you no longer had to learn a bunch of arbitrary key sequences when you bought a new program. Every program had a menu up at the top, with File Edit Options Help, and you knew where to go to do various stuff. > > What’s wrong with having people know how to use your program? As I posted unthread, I believe Microsoft wants the PC to work like a cellphone, because people like that, and will spend more money. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/50 "2015-12-29T02:30:06Z")
> [@emcee2k](#): > > And completely disabling Windows Update is not a good idea. I wouldn’t recommend leaving it disabled indefinitely, but I think it’s actually safer to disable it for reasonable intervals, e.g. letting other people beta test Microsoft’s patches, and downloading them when it’s convenient, after they’ve been out a week or two and haven’t caused problems. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/51 "2015-12-29T03:42:52Z")
Windows update recently put every install of Outlook into Safe Mode. One would think it would be corrected by an update the next Tuesday, but this did not come to pass. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/52 "2015-12-29T05:02:50Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > iMeanwhile, someone buying e.g. a BMW after owning a Honda where the window switches and cruise controls are in a different spot or work differently, they don’t go asking how to move them to be just like the Honda. And some of us specifically make “can I find anything blindly?” a do/notdo criterion when choosing a new car. The two main reasons I’m not buying anything from the Volkswagen group are: - seats designed thinking that the driver will be a flat-arsed, 1’80m male. - lights are not on the wheel, but in a hard-to-reach spot behind it. I can’t even see that control without the kind of gymnastics one should not do while driving. Together, they add up to “the ergonomics suck”. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > As I posted unthread, I believe Microsoft wants the PC to work like a cellphone, because people like that, and will spend more money. So, it should only have space for like 3 games? ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/53 "2015-12-29T08:54:39Z")
Windows 10 still has the same blurry text issue that Windows 8 had and for that reason I will not upgrade until they fix it. If the OS cannot render text properly on a 1920x1080 monitor that is running with the latest drivers then I have no interest in it. A fresh install of Win 10 is so ugly it makes me nostalgic for Windows Vista. ---
**Author:** ![kiz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@kiz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kiz)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/54 "2015-12-29T14:49:27Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > As I posted unthread, I believe Microsoft wants the PC to work like a cellphone, because people like that, and will spend more money. That’s EXACTLY why I don’t like 10. Thank you! I already have a cellphone. What I want on that cellphone I have on that cellphone. _Most of the apps I have on it I don’t want on my laptop because I’ve already designated them as “phone only” (i.e., Instagram and the mobile versions of sites I visit frequently). That means I don’t want them on my laptop._ OTOH there are things on my laptop I’d never dream of putting on my phone. _Google Drive, for example – I can see someone using it if they shuffle/share a lot of files, but I don’t. Ditto something like MS Office because I don’t write anything lengthy on my phone. I don’t put Tapatalk on my phone to access the Dope because I found it a PITA; ergo, I only post from my laptop. I don’t want ANY of this eating my phone bandwidth; ergo, they’re for my laptop and only for my laptop._ Windows 10 wants to merge both. FUCK YOU NO. A phone is a phone. A laptop or desktop is a laptop or desktop. Stop trying not to differentiate Microsoft :mad: ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/55 "2015-12-29T21:44:16Z")
Win10 is a bit frustrating, but not as much as Win8. Interface is less customizable than previous versions of Windows. They still won’t bring back 16-bit (DOS) software compatibility, seems to be no good technical reason, it was back for a little while in 8.1. I think MS just wants people to buy new software and probably don’t want to support old software, but don’t they charge for tech support anyway? I have old DOS stuff I’d like to run, and I know about DOSBox and use it, but it’s clunky compared to a good ol’ Command Prompt. A lot of privacy concerns. By default MS uses _your_ computer to help distribute Windows updates to other computers. :mad: Start Menu still isn’t as useful as the Start Menu from XP or 7. ---
**Author:** ![janeslogin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@janeslogin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/janeslogin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/56 "2015-12-29T23:38:34Z")
OP here, my last comment on this poorly titled thread. My question in my head was are you frustrated with the update 10586. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2015, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/57 "2015-12-30T00:11:57Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > They still won’t bring back 16-bit (DOS) software compatibility, seems to be no good technical reason, it was back for a little while in 8.1. I think MS just wants people to buy new software and probably don’t want to support old software, but don’t they charge for tech support anyway? I have old DOS stuff I’d like to run, and I know about DOSBox and use it, but it’s clunky compared to a good ol’ Command Prompt. Have you tried running DOS in a VM? Both VMWare Player and VirtualBox are free, and both work well for me at running earlier versions of Windows, and I would assume they’d also run DOS if you booted it from a virtual floppy drive. The last time I looked, which I admit was several years ago, you could get DOS or a clone for free on the net, too. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2015, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/58 "2015-12-30T00:28:31Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Have you tried running DOS in a VM? Both VMWare Player and VirtualBox are free, and both work well for me at running earlier versions of Windows, and I would assume they’d also run DOS if you booted it from a virtual floppy drive. The last time I looked, which I admit was several years ago, you could get DOS or a clone for free on the net, too. Yeah, I don’t blame Microsoft for refusing to support 16 bit DOS programs and everything else they have ever created since they were founded. At some point, you just have to turn off the lights and close it down (if it was Apple, they would also have a bouncer on hand to throw you into the street with little warning). The people that truly need to run such things have tools available to make it work and can support it themselves. I am responsible for lots of really old software in a mega-corp. I am happy when some of it goes out of support because that means it will be easy to get funding to replace it with a more modern version instead of something that was cobbled together and has barely worked for the past 25 years. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/59 "2015-12-30T01:02:16Z")
I can’t update to Windows 10 because it’s not compatible with our corporate VPN, and I tend to work from home a lot. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2015, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/60 "2015-12-30T01:41:21Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > I think MS just wants people to buy new software and probably don’t want to support old software, Did you just now figure that out? 🙂 > [@control-z](#): > > A lot of privacy concerns. > > By default MS uses _your_ computer to help distribute Windows updates to other computers. :mad: Damn. They are using my bandwidth for that? I am particularly concerned about that when I use a satellite web connection in rural areas. The sat folks charge you and cut your bandwidth if you exceed their limits. Vendors assume that we have unlimited bandwidth, damn their eyes. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2015, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512/61 "2015-12-30T01:57:54Z")
My only serious problem with Windows 10 is, I can’t get it to understand that my laser printer has automatic two-sided printing. I realize it’s a driver problem, but I also can’t get it to install the HP version of the driver. It took me long enough just to get it to understand that it was a color printer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-windows-10-have-you-frustrated/741512.md?page=4)