# Doesn’t the existence of trans people imply an underlying biological fact of the matter regarding gender?

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**Created:** [February 7, 2023, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doesn-t-the-existence-of-trans-people-imply-an-underlying-biological-fact-of-the-matter-regarding-gender/979434 "2023-02-07T13:38:37Z")\
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**Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doesn-t-the-existence-of-trans-people-imply-an-underlying-biological-fact-of-the-matter-regarding-gender/979434/185 "2023-06-21T06:57:56Z")

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> [@Riemann](#):
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> So, rather than hinting at some mysterious benefit that I am not seeing, are _you_ seeing the payoff from being trans in our fucked up society, when we’ve got a very active current thread about how half the country wants to exterminate trans people?

I’m saying that you’re discounting in-group membership as a tangible benefit. That being part of a loving and accepting community can be a huge positive in spite of larger society’s negativity.

> [@Riemann](#):
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> I suspect that you’re trying to twist my words

I suspect you’re wrong.

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> But of course it’s not a cost-benefit analysis at all.

> [@Riemann](#):
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> My point is that trans and non-binary people assert their nature _despite_ any cost imposed by society,

Errm…maybe, pick a lane?

> [@Riemann](#):
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> it just seems nonsensical to suggest that social factors are _causing_ them to be trans, rather than their intrinsic nature.

You seem to be implying, here, that “social factors” can only be the majority consensus society’s. But influences from subcultures/small groups, such as affirmation, love and acceptance from your own group, are also _a_ social factor.

Although I wouldn’t say that _causes_ anyone to be trans, it certainly means they will be more willing to _accept_ being so.

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