I’m sure that in my life I have seen instances where the gap between the description of the quote and the content of the quote was bigger, but I can’t really think of such an incident.
it’s not what was literally said. More like: I’m telling you I am going to bomb your city and destroy your neighborhood. Doesn’t matter why— do you have anywhere to go for however many months? Hope you don’t have to go to work in the meantime, either, and that you have pretty good insurance on your soon-to-be-a-smoking-hole apartment.
Netanyahu would have done better to keep his fucking mouth shut on the subject, no matter what the victims may or may not feel about Hizbullah.
As I’ve been asking all you people over and over for the past year - what kind of ridiculous fantasy world are you living in? This is war. What do you think war is?
So you’re saying he shouldn’t warn them to leave home before bombing them?
They aren’t doing this for shits and giggles. Those are fortified houses used to launch artillery at Israel.
Definitely not suggesting any devastating surprise attack (though to what extent are individual sorties telegraphed in advance?), not what I meant. Just that no matter what he says, the victims of war are never going to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Do statements like “we are not fighting you, we are fighting Hezbollah” — and I must acknowledge this is not the same as literally saying “sucks to be you” — actually help? It is not an anti-Lebanese thing to say, but civilians just wish the war would be over, that’s what they would really love to hear on the news, if they only could. They know that, in a war, it really does suck to be them.
It kinda does matter why. If I’m doing it because I don’t want to live next to brown people, I’m a terrible person. If I’m doing it because your neoghborhoods are infested with militants who are firing rockets at me because they don’t want to live next to a Jew, then I’m doing what I have to.
But I get it, that’s a complex view of the world and it’s easier to say “WAR BAD!”.
I don’t think Americans know what war is, as a society. I guess that’s what 200 years living on your own (conquered) continent does to you.
I think their point is that we shouldn’t bomb them, ever. Hezbollah and Hamas found the ultimate cheat code to war.
In Gaza, Israel was calling individual homes and telling them to evacuate. I don’t think Hezbollah keeps southern Lebanon’s phone books up to date, though, so I don’t know if it’s going to be that granular in Lebanon.
The goal isn’t to get Lebanese people to feel warm and fuzzy about Israel, it is to stop Hezbollah’s ongoing launching of thousands of rockets into Israel.
If you are embarking on a military campaign against Hezbollah, what should you say? Nothing? That you’ll bring down fire and fury like no one has ever seen, believe me, no one knows fire and fury like I do, well maybe the late great Daenerys Targaryen does, I don’t know her, but many people say it, so it might be true? Or maybe that your war is with Hezbollah and that civilians should do their best to get away?
The name for that is “ethnic cleansing.” They demand people flee, then destroy their homes so they have nothing to come back to. And kill the ones that don’t flee. And of course justify the killing with stories about how supposedly there were missiles there.
A standard sort of lie, the US does the same kind of thing to justify drone strikes.
My name is John Johnson Jr.
As proud American and retired drone operator from Texas Oblast, with her beautiful Warm Water Ports, I can confirm that this is exactly how American drone strikes work.
But it’s not ethnic cleansing when Hezbollah targets Israelis?
It is, whether you like it or not. Just as it’s how Israel does its bombings. Both kill random people and declare them “terrorists” after the fact, as a standard practice.
No, it’s attempted ethnic cleansing when they do it too. They just don’t have the power to actually carry out campaigns of ethnic cleansing and genocide, while Israel does.
The problem there is that you think of those Israelis as human. That’s a mistake, you should think of them as settler-colonialist monsters who feast on Palestinian blood. Then it makes so much more sense! Hezbollah causing thousands of Israelis to leave their homes for months now and raining rockets on their houses isn’t ethnic cleansing, it’s righteous cleansing decolonization.
There are many tens of thousands of Israelis who fled the North. They did actually “carry out” exactly what you accuse Israel of. They are actively doing so now.
It might help if you argued against the real me, instead of an imaginary one.
And the Israelis are certainly human, that doesn’t keep their government from being genocidal.
Whenever you’re ready to discuss the real Israel, instead of the imaginary one in your head, I’d be happy to do so.
I am; you just don’t want people to talk about the real one. Israel is essentially repeating the genocide of the Native Americans by the US, with modernized versions of the tactics and propaganda techniques used at the time. This is just their latest “Indian War”.
When I say that you view the whole world through one myopic lens, you don’t have to prove me right THAT hard.
I’m not really interested in your desire to crucify Israel for America’s Original Sin, so I’m gonna bow out of further discussion with you in this thread.
As usual, Christians want Jews to die for their sins.
I get that Hezbollah and Hamas are genocidal death cults and it’s entirely unreasonable to expect Israelis to just absorb their attempted genocidal attacks day after day, month after month, year after year, without trying to defeat them.
At the same time, the Israeli government is tolerating and often assisting in Jim-Crow-esque brutality and theft of Palestinians in the West Bank. The settlers in the West Bank, and their enablers and supporters in the Israeli government, are functionally the same as those genocidal death cults Hezbollah and Hamas. They are all part of the “endless bloodshed” party – allies against any progress towards peace and security. So I can entirely see how, from the perspective of brutalized Palestinians, they can’t be expected to just absorb the attacks and cleansing attempts of the settlers and their government supporters, day after day, year after year, month after month.
What does this have to do with Lebanon and Hezbollah? Even if we expect that the IDF has been as morally and ethically spotless as can be achieved in Gaza (and I’m very, very skeptical this is so), how can Israel expect that these attacks could possibly lead towards peace, or even a weakening/lessening of the genocidal death cult philosophy of Hezbollah, when they’re continuing to brutalize Palestinians in the West Bank?
Seems like more wasted blood, wasted lives, etc. Achieving nothing but empowering that “endless bloodshed” party – Hezbollah, Hamas, the settlers, and this Israeli government. Unless and until Israel has a government that actively opposes and prevents the brutalization of Palestinians that are entirely within their power, wars like this appear to me to be useless for everyone except the bloodthirsty.