# DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455 "2022-11-23T20:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 111
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2204 "2024-02-29T00:48:31Z")
February 9, 2027: Washington DC: _Supreme Court justices expressed surprise after their arrest this morning, as they believed that President Trump had their full support. As part of the Purge of The Disloyal, the justices face severe punishment for not following Dear Leader’s Will._ _The trial is scheduled for tomorrow, February 10, and the executions will take place by firing squad in front of the Trump Monument (formerly Washington Monument) at 12:00 noon, February 11. As usual, the public is invited (required) to view the executions._ ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2205 "2024-02-29T00:54:00Z")
Seems to cynical me that the Supremes can have it both ways if they time it right. Delay rendering a verdict as long as they can, then find against Trump. That way they can say to both sides “We did what we could!” Assholes. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2206 "2024-02-29T01:02:14Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > How exactly does immunity work, in practice? One answer I found: [The Insignificance of Trump’s “Immunity from Prosecution” Argument](https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-insignificance-of-trump-s-immunity-from-prosecution-argument) > [@](#): > > Even if the Court were to rule in Trump’s favor (which, again, is highly unlikely), that ruling should affect only one small portion of the Special Counsel’s case against Trump in the District of Columbia. ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2207 "2024-02-29T01:11:34Z")
Best case scenario now: - Trump loses election - Trump gets tried in Georgia, gets an ankle monitor - Trump loses documents case in Florida, another ankle monitor ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2208 "2024-02-29T01:23:50Z")
Trump shouts “I’m totally immune from everything! Witch hunt!” And refuses to appear in court ever again. He then coasts to victory. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2209 "2024-02-29T01:30:43Z")
I think the ruling comes before May and will uphold the 11th by an 8-1 vote, with Thomas voting not to sleep on the couch. IF they rule the other way, then tear down the Statue of Liberty, Washington Monument, and Lincoln Memorial. We will no longer deserve them. Fascism will come, never to leave. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2210 "2024-02-29T01:35:22Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I think the ruling comes before May and will uphold the 11th by an 8-1 vote, with Thomas voting not to sleep on the couch. I sure hope you’re right. Not holding my breath, though. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2211 "2024-02-29T01:40:06Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > And the jury will be given evidence supporting/rejecting the reasonableness of the activity? No jury. Strictly arguments in front of the Supremes. And a few dozen(s) briefs for/against that might be considered. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2212 "2024-02-29T01:43:40Z")
What makes this especially infuriating is that no other defendant would be entitled to appeal a dispositive motion _before_ the case has concluded. Typically, you _preserve_ your appellate issues, but you don’t get to bring the issue to the appellate court _unless and until_ you’ve been convicted. This is utter bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2213 "2024-02-29T02:14:27Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I think the ruling comes before May . . . Not what the media says. The hearing date is the week of April 22, and then it takes, at a minimum, weeks to rule. Meanwhile, Colorado in-person early voting began two days ago with no Supreme Court ruling as to whether Trump votes can be counted. I guess you could say that since the Justice Department took years after January 6 to indict, the courts are being at least as expeditious. Moriarty’s last post seems to argue against that, but I don’t know. From the SCOTUS POV, they may feel that they are acting quicker than normal. Is Trump being handled more slowly than Robert Menendez? > [@BobLibDem](#): > > Fascism will come, never to leave. No. Both fascism, and plain old authoritarianism, are unstable forms of government. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2214 "2024-02-29T02:57:32Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > No. Both fascism, and plain old authoritarianism, are unstable forms of government. Sure. A simple revolution and 40 - 50 million deaths, and back to normal you go! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2215 "2024-02-29T03:07:41Z")
Not that I expect it actually WILL happen… but couldn’t the court hear the case on April 22, and then deliver a decision on April 23? Any expectation of “weeks” or “July” or whatever is just based on what they’ve typically done in the past, right? But I don’t think anyone can say there’s anything typical about the court, any more… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2216 "2024-02-29T03:12:22Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > then deliver a decision on April 23 2025? I guess it’s possible. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2217 "2024-02-29T03:13:41Z")
The experts I heard on MSNBC said a rapid decision is entirely possible and has precedent—i.e., Gore v. Bush. They likewise pointed out that scheduling arguments for April 22 is not a signal that they feel very rushed. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2218 "2024-02-29T04:17:17Z")
_United States v Nixon_ was argued July 8,1974. Judgment rendered July 24, 1974. [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court/418/683.html](https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court/418/683.html) ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2219 "2024-02-29T07:02:26Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > What makes this especially infuriating is that no other defendant would be entitled to appeal a dispositive motion _before_ the case has concluded. I don’t think that is correct. Individual rulings by a judge may be, and frequently are, appealed to a higher court while the trial is still ongoing. This is called an [Interlocutory appeal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlocutory_appeal). (Unless TV lawyer shows have lied to me), IANAL. _An **interlocutory appeal** (or **interim appeal** ) occurs when a ruling by a trial court is [appealed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal) while other aspects of the case are still proceeding. The rules governing how and when interlocutory appeals may be taken vary by [jurisdiction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction)._ ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2220 "2024-02-29T09:27:35Z")
> [@TeroSunbear](#): > > Best case scenario now: > > - Trump loses election > - Trump gets tried in Georgia, gets an ankle monitor > - Trump loses documents case in Florida, another ankle monitor But one ankle has to be in Georgia and the other in Florida at all times. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2221 "2024-02-29T10:07:00Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > But one ankle has to be in Georgia and the other in Florida at all times. Make a wish! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2222 "2024-02-29T10:19:11Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Not that I expect it actually WILL happen… but couldn’t the court hear the case on April 22, and then deliver a decision on April 23? Any expectation of “weeks” or “July” or whatever is just based on what they’ve typically done in the past, right? But I don’t think anyone can say there’s anything typical about the court, any more… This. It’s not as if everyone doesn’t already know the correct, objectively empirical answer. Best outcome would be for the court to hear from the America-hating fuckstick’s lawyer, and immediately say \*Get the fuck out of this courtroom. You’re a disgrace to the concept of law. Ninety days for contempt of the country.” (Actually, the _BEST_ outcome would’ve been for that to have happened immediately upon them filing the appeal.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2223 "2024-02-29T10:28:25Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > But one ankle has to be in Georgia and the other in Florida at all times. Ideally, Atlanta and Tallahassee. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=110) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=112)