# DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455 "2022-11-23T20:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 129
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2564 "2024-10-03T03:00:06Z")
At any rate, my thanks to @rocking_chair for plowing through all that. Very informative; thanks again! ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2565 "2024-10-03T11:42:24Z")
I just love this: > [@](#): > > In her order allowing the redacted filing to become public, U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, who has been overseeing the case, addressed the defense’s accusations of partisan bias. > > “Defendant’s opposition brief repeatedly accuses the Government of bad-faith partisan bias,” the judge wrote. “These accusations, for which Defendant provides no support, continue a pattern of defense filings focusing on political rhetoric rather than addressing the legal issues at hand.” > > “Not only is that focus unresponsive and unhelpful to the court, but it is also unbefitting of experienced defense counsel and undermining of the judicial proceedings in this case,” Judge Chutkan wrote. “Future filings should be directed to the issues before the court.” Also see: clear-eyed [**SOURCE**](https://abcnews.go.com/US/bombshell-special-counsel-filing-includes-new-allegations-trumps/story?id=114409494) ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2566 "2024-10-03T12:23:47Z")
IOW, you don’t get to turn this into a lie-spewing rally like you do with everything else. Like a mod telling a poster they have to stop hijacking every thread to bring up some specific topic, even when it’s not really relevant. If Chutkan was a doper, this is where she could have included an Easter Egg by saying that she won’t allow her court room to be turned into The Trump Show. Speaking of…I was watching something the other day when the a few of the people on a panel started discussing if a list with only one item was actually a list and, if not, how many items does it take before it’s considered a list. I remember thinking at one point that if a doper was in the group, there was one or two opportunities to say ‘hi opal’, especially since it had mostly devolved into blooper territory at that point anyway. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2567 "2024-10-03T12:26:59Z")
Can somebody clarify what “cc” and “p” stand for wrt the redacted individual names? ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2568 "2024-10-03T12:32:05Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Can somebody clarify what “cc” and “p” stand for _P_ means “person”, _cc_ means co-conspirator. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2569 "2024-10-03T12:45:24Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > IOW, you don’t get to turn this into a lie-spewing rally like you do with everything else. I was reading this as more “Knock it off or face sanctions”. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2570 "2024-10-03T13:13:26Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I was reading this as more “Knock it off or face sanctions”. Also, “you know better, so act like it” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2571 "2024-10-03T13:55:38Z")
Do they, though? ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2572 "2024-10-03T14:06:12Z")
I think so. I truly feel like this is a case of “this is what the client demands, even if we know it won’t work and probably will get us in trouble ifnwe push too hard. So we push it just short of that point, so we can tell the client ‘we tried’ and the client can make political bullet points with it.” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2573 "2024-10-03T14:09:10Z")
Unless they’re true believers like Rudy. But hopefully the supply of those lawyers is running out. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2574 "2024-10-03T14:18:39Z")
yes, that should be pressure trump and does not have the authority. pp79-85 continues the day at the capitol and the white house highlighting trump’s tweets and the actions of cc1 and others to pressure lawmakers to stop the certification. pg 85 starts the legal framework in trump, the supreme court held that former presidents are immune from prosecution for core official acts, enjoy a rebuttable presumption of immunity for other official acts, and have no immunity for unofficial acts, and remanded to the court for further proceedings consistent with its holding. so pp85-165 layout the unofficial acts argument. pg88 none of the allegations or evidence is protected by presidential immunity. that trump used private actors and his campaign infrastructure to attempt to overturn the election results and operated in a private capacity as a candidate for office. the argument starts with pence. stating that the executive branch has no authority or function to choose the next president. pg 94 history confirms that presidents have never understood their wide-ranging duties to encompass any direct role in the function of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of a presidential election. pg 95 states that: the absence of any such historical tradition is reinforced by the fact that in 22 of the 59 certification proceedings the vice president has not presided at all. pg 96 because the vice president’s role is and has always been ministerial, rather than substantive or discretionary, it is difficult to imagine an occasion in which a president would have any valid reason to try to influence it. pg 100 start the arguments of trump’s interaction with targeted states. most importantly, as with the defendant’s plan regarding the fraudulent elector slates, as president, he had no official role in the process by which states appointed and ascertained their presidential electors. calls to the governor of arizona, meetings with michigan legislators, calls to speaker of arizona, calls to the georgia attorney general, call to p33, are detailed. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2575 "2024-10-03T14:45:37Z")
pg 111 starts part 2 even if the defendant’s contacts with state officials were official, the government can rebut the presumption of immunity pg 116 discusses the event at dalton ga for the senate election the following day. the rnc paid for the event and the trip binder included a hatch act disclaimer that employees of the federal government may not use their official title or position when participating in a political event. pg 118 discusses the ellipse speech on jan 6. the event was planned and executed by private political supporters. the ellipse rally was originally planned to take place at freedom plaza, but after women for america first began to plan the rally independent of the defendant, p 64 a private fundraiser for the defendant, contacted wfaf to discuss moving the event to the ellipse and featuring the defendant as a guest. the defendant’s trip binder for the ellipse speech also reinforces the private nature of the event. the binder did not include the hatch act disclaimer. an email from the white house photographer stated “reminder today is a political event”. the white house counsel’s office pointedly did not review the ellipse speech because it was an unofficial campaign speech. pg 121 mentions that the defendant did not take the stage with hail to the chief. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2576 "2024-10-03T15:22:14Z")
pg 126 moves on to tweets. as an initial matter, the defendant sent, or directed the sending of all tweets and re-tweets from at real donald trump, the personal twitter account that the defendant started long before assuming the presidency. the supreme court’s decision in lindke v freed confirms that a public official’s personal social-media account can be used for both personal and public business, and consistent with trump, that a fact-specific inquiry is required to discern into which category a post falls. a tweet by tweet analysis was done. pp 126-144 lay out the argument of various tweets and why they are not covered under “official acts”. 144 moves on to other public statements. 147 starts the defendant’s interactions, in his capacity as a candidate, with white house staff the use of the hatch act informs the arguments for official vs unofficial pg 158 gives evidence of the defendant’s knowledge and intent pg161 the defendant’s use of twitter and television on jan 6 pg 162 the defendant’s post-administration statements (rc, what you say can and will be used…) and the conclusion wraps up on pp 164 and a wee bit of 165. this motion for immunity determinations is quite something. this is just a brief (hee) look at the evidence in this case. there is a lot of new information. the thing i found most persuasive in the official vs unofficial is that the defendant was all in only on his race. he never mentioned the other candidates on the ballot. his name is not alone on the ballots. if votes were taken from him, were they not taken from others? ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2577 "2024-10-03T15:26:16Z")
I appreciate **rocking\_chair** posting highlights, but does anyone have a good link to the whole motion? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2578 "2024-10-03T15:29:16Z")
> **[jack-smith-immunity-filing.pdf](https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/10/jack-smith-immunity-filing.pdf)** > > 17.44 MB i posted pbs’s link above. linking fox here. a bit of both… ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2579 "2024-10-03T15:30:39Z")
Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2580 "2024-10-03T16:11:29Z")
Here’s the most updated list I could find, in two photos. [[Album] imgur.com ![](https://i.imgur.com/pCtMYbz.jpeg?fb "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/a/tsphL55) [[Album] imgur.com ![](https://i.imgur.com/4wPTlCb.png?fb "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/a/MasszyC) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2581 "2024-10-03T16:59:34Z")
The above as text: CC1: Rudy Guiliani - DJT Personal Lawyer CC2: John Eastman - Trump lawyer CC3: Sidney Powell - Trump lawyer CC4: Jeffery Clark - DOJ Official CC5: Kenneth Chesebro - Drafted fake elector memos CC6: Boris Epshteyn - Private campaign advisor P1: Steve Bannon P2: Bill Stepien - Campaign Manager P3: Justin Clark - Deputy Campaign Manager P4: Jason Miller - Senior Campaign Advisor P5: Michael Roman - Campaign staffer - disrupting vote counts P6: Roger Stone - Longtime Trump advisor P7: Hope Hicks - Advisor And Campaign spokeswoman P8: Mark Short - Pence Chief of staff P9: Eric Herschmann - White House Lawyer P10: Joseph DiGenova - Lawyer P11: Victoria Toensing - Lawyer P12: Jenna Ellis - Trump Lawyer P13: Jared Kushner - Trump’s son-in-law P14: Ivanka Trump - Trump’s daughter P15: Assistant to the President and Director of Oval Office Operations - Nicholas F. Luna P16: Arizona Gov Doug Ducey P17: Brian Kemp - Georgia Governor P18: Rusty Bowers - AZ House Speaker P19: Christina Bobb - Campaign Staffer P20: Kory Langhofer - Bowers’ lawyer P21: Mark Meadows - White House Chief of Staff P22: Alex Cannon - Lawyer P23: Ray Stallings Smith III - Trump GA Lawyer P24: Jacki Pick - presented misleading footage P25: Gabriel Sterling - GA official P26: Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr P27: U.S. Senator David Purdue P28: U.S. Senator Kelly Loeffler P29: Ruby Freeman - GA election worker - falsely accused P30: Shaye Moss - GA election worker - Freeman’s daughter P31: Cleta Mitchell - Trump GA Attorney P32: Kurt Robert Hilbert - Trump’s lawyer in Trump v. Kemp P33: Brad Raffensperger - Secretary of State GA P34: Geoff Duncan - Lt. Gov Georgia P35: Alex Kaufman - Raffensperger’s general counsel P36: Robert Cheeley - Trump lawyer on GA call P37: Mike Shirkey - MI Senate Majority Leader P38: Lee Chatfield - MI House Speaker P39: RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel P40: Unknown - Not seen in Document P41: Scott Gragson - NV operative assisting in MI P42: Molly Michael - Trump’s executive assistant P43: Justin Riemer - RNC Chief Counsel P44: Sophia Lai - RNC spokesperson P45: Dan Scavino - Trump’s social media director P46: Bernard “Bernie” Kerik - PA Republican Party Chair P47: Al Schmidt - Philadelphia City Commissioner P49: Brian Hagedorn - WI Supreme Court Justice P50: Chris Krebs - CISA Director P51: Tucker Carlson - Fox News host P52: William Barr - Attorney General P53: Jack Wilenchik - Fake elector scheme (emails) P54: Hannah Salem - Trump campaign staffer P55: Boris Epshteyn - Trump advisor P56: Cleta Mitchell - Trump lawyer P57: Lou Barletta - Former Congressman, PA elector P58: Greg Jacob - Pence’s Counsel P59: Pat Cipollone - White House counsel P60: Kayleigh McEnany - WH Press Secretary P61: Karen Fann - AZ Senate President P62: Ken Paxton - TX Attorney General P63: Eric Schmitt - MO Attorney General P64: Caroline Wren - Jan 6 rally organizer P65: Julie Fancelli - Jan 6 rally funder P66: Dustin Stockton - Jan 6 rally organizer P67: Shealah Craighead - WH photographer P68: Raheem Kassam - Conservative commentator P69: Peter Navarro - WH trade advisor P70: Ivan Raiklin - Trump Campaign Surrogate P71: Patrick Philbin - Deputy White House Counsel P72: Matt Morgan - White House Aide P73: Campaign staffer working with Eric Herschmann P74: Spoke in court Dec 10, 2020 in GA — J. Christian Adams or Matt Braynard P75: Unknown P76: Sidney Powell - Trump’s lawyer P77: Stefan Passantino C1: Company owned by Ken Block to investigate - He says no fraud was found C2: C2 Berkely Research Group C3: Dominion Voting Systems * * * Thank you, Ann. And ChatGPT. ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2582 "2024-10-03T17:03:11Z")
Here’s a pretty good layman’s explanation for the whole thing (with a healthy sprinkle throughout of every version of “F-bomb” that you can think of). This twitter curmedgeon guy (Jeff Tiedrich) never fails to deliver the goods. This is a link to his own blog, outside of Twitter. > **[uh-oh, there’s new proof that Donald Trump crimed his criming ass off on...](https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/uh-oh-theres-new-proof-that-donald)** > > Jack Smith brings all the receipts in a 165-page filing ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/2583 "2024-10-03T18:18:07Z")
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