# DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455 "2022-11-23T20:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/422 "2023-08-02T16:41:15Z")
My candidate for CC6 is Susan Wiles. In June, CNN identified her as the political operative mentioned in the Mar-a-Lago indictment who was in the room in Bedminster when Trump waved the classified document around. The CNN June article says that she’s been meeting regularly with Smith’s team. > **[Top Trump campaign aide Susie Wiles met numerous times with special counsel...](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/29/politics/susie-wiles-special-counsel-investigation-documents-trump/index.html)** > > A senior campaign official for Donald Trump was allegedly shown a classified map by the former president during a meeting at his New Jersey golf club after Trump left office, according to a source familiar with the matter. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/423 "2023-08-02T16:42:19Z")
In addition to all the other laws he’s broken, he (his team) has now broken Godwin’s Law: > **[Trump team’s comparison of indictment, Nazi Germany is ‘shameful’:...](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4132385-trump-teams-comparison-of-indictment-nazi-germany-is-shameful-anti-defamation-league/)** > > Anti-Defamation League Director Jonathan Greenblatt on Tuesday sharply rebuked former President Trump’s campaign for likening his most recent indictment to Nazi Germany in the 1930s. “Comparing thi… You could knock me over with a feather … ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/424 "2023-08-02T16:47:11Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > My candidate for CC6 is Susan Wiles. I almost put her name forward, but she didn’t seem to fit, and I know she’s already part of the other indictment. She was described very differently in that other indictment, as being associated with a Trump PAC, and I would have expected this one to use similar language if it was her. But she did come to mind. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/425 "2023-08-02T16:48:49Z")
More cautious drafting, perhaps, when the person is being named as a co-conspirator? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/426 "2023-08-02T16:48:55Z")
Well, that was an asinine and insulting _campaign_ quote from yesterday. I’m hoping for more asinine, insulting, all caps, deranged and barely comprehensible quotes from Trump himself shortly. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/427 "2023-08-02T16:49:08Z")
That could be the case, sure. That’s plausible. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/428 "2023-08-02T16:52:43Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Judge Tanya Sue Chutkan was an Obama nominee who was confirmed in 2014 with a vote of 95-0. She is a well respected, fair-minded, common sense jurist with a background as a public defender. And she’s tough on rioters; she also blocked Trump’s executive privilege claim regarding January 6 documents. > **[The judge assigned to Trump's Jan. 6 case is a tough punisher of Capitol rioters](https://apnews.com/article/trump-indictment-judge-tanya-chutkan-capitol-riot-9ba5c18d315697d759521425ea203012)** > > Judge Tanya Chutkan often has handed down prison sentences in Jan. 6, 2021, riot cases that are harsher than what Justice Department prosecutors recommended. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/429 "2023-08-02T16:57:58Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Pence knows that his political future is dead for turning against Trump, but he still can be remembered as the guy who helped save democracy. People like him live for this reluctant martyrdom scenario. I think this is an accurate representation. Interestingly, Fox News is now pushing the “Pence as savior” notion on their webpage. Surprisingly anti-Trump and pro-Pence. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/430 "2023-08-02T17:00:45Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Interestingly, Fox News is now pushing the “Pence as savior” notion on their webpage. Surprisingly anti-Trump and pro-Pence. Okay, I just had a crazy thought. What if people on the right rally behind Pence after this, enough to make him the nominee? Yes, I know, extremely crazy. But you know how humans love shoving someone off a pedestal. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/431 "2023-08-02T17:01:30Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > It’s worse than clickbait, it’s flat-out spinning a false narrative. Whoever wrote this should be ashamed of themselves. It’s not journalism. Thanks for checking. I still expect better from the Globe and Mail but maybe I’m naïve. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/432 "2023-08-02T17:02:28Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > I still expect better from the Globe and Mail but maybe I’m naïve. I don’t think you are. I am only slightly familiar with the paper, so I looked at info about it, and it seems generally reputable. That’s why I said it was a shameful article. Even the NYT has a bad story now and then. No paper is perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/433 "2023-08-02T17:16:00Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > What if people on the right rally behind Pence after this, enough to make him the nominee? > > Yes, I know, extremely crazy. It would be the most miraculous recovery of reputation I can think of in politics and a truly bizarre vindication of Pence’s consistently non-consistent needle-threading political positioning around Trump and Trumpism. I…don’t think it can happen with a good chunk of the Trump base so convinced he was a traitor. But never say never, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/434 "2023-08-02T17:34:28Z")
So I’ve making a concerted effort to force myself to watch Fox’s coverage of this big story. I just saw a segment where they interviewed a New York attorney (never seen or heard of him before) that gave an astonishingly objective response to the question “what do each of these charges mean and how serious are they?” Apart from using the word “alleged” about ten times more than any other talking head I’ve heard recently, it could have been Neil Katyal that gave the same response. One thing, however, he did say that bothered me was that he thought that given the complexity of the case he thought it “very unlikely it could be brought to trial before the November election.” Anyone with experience tracking or dealing with federal cases agree with his statement? ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/435 "2023-08-02T17:52:36Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > . What if people on the right rally behind Pence after this, enough to make him the nominee? That would be like Jesus coming down from the cross, it just doesn’t work that way in Pence’s mind. He must suffer and then be proven correct by history in order to be rewarded atonement for his sins. But back to the thread, Pence is going to make a most excellant witness since he was there for pretty much everything, in person and taking notes. Think about it, he could have been charged but appears not to be. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/436 "2023-08-02T17:54:59Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Anyone with experience tracking or dealing with federal cases agree with his statement? If nothing else, it’s complicated by the fact that the defendant was a former head of state. I’ll let Trump’s lawyers come up with theories for how that complicates it but I can imagine more than one. Granted, the judge has the right to cut through bullshit obstructionism but, in general, the courts have tried to give due respect to the position even if they don’t believe that they should give it to the man. Plausibly, Trump has worn them out on and, likewise, Chutkan can depart from the norm on her own. We’ll have to see. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/437 "2023-08-02T18:00:38Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Anyone with experience tracking or dealing with federal cases agree with his statement? For me, just Money laundering cases, but yeah, the Federal courts are slow on White collar crime. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/438 "2023-08-02T18:09:42Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Think about it, he could have been charged but appears not to be. Charged with what? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/439 "2023-08-02T18:10:27Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > For me, just Money laundering cases, but yeah, the Federal courts are slow on White collar crime. Fomenting insurrection is _white collar_??!? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/440 "2023-08-02T18:13:18Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Fomenting insurrection is _white collar_??!? The [indictment](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/politics/trump-jan-6-indictment-2020-election-annotated.html), filed by the special counsel Jack Smith in Federal District Court in Washington, accuses Mr. Trump of three conspiracies: one to defraud the United States; a second to obstruct an official government proceeding, the certification of the Electoral College vote; and a third to deprive people of a civil right, the right to have their votes counted. Mr. Trump was also charged with a fourth count of obstructing or attempting to obstruct an official proceeding. > **[Trump Indictment: Jan. 6 Riot Was ‘Fueled by Lies’ From Trump, Special...](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/08/01/us/trump-indictment-jan-6)** > > Former President Donald J. Trump was charged with four counts in connection with his efforts to subvert the will of voters in 2020. “Despite having lost, the defendant was determined to remain in power,” prosecutors wrote. I do not see “Fomenting insurrection”?? ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/441 "2023-08-02T18:13:32Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Charged with what? Failure to report a felony? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=23)