# DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455 "2022-11-23T20:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/482 "2023-08-03T14:20:09Z")
Sounds remarkably similar to Cassidy Hutchinson, whose Trump-supplied shyster kept telling her that saying she couldn’t remember wouldn’t be perjury. If I heard the commentary on MSNBC correctly last night, “Trump Employee 4” (Yuscil Taveras) has already dumped Woodward and sought other counsel. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/483 "2023-08-03T14:23:26Z")
That’s my take as well. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/484 "2023-08-03T14:24:36Z")
These two quotes, from the same interview, are remarkable. > The former attorney general [Barr] also described Trump’s alleged actions as [detailed in the indictment](https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/08/politics/annotated-text-copy-trump-indictment-dg/) as “nauseating” and “despicable,” saying on “The Source,” “someone who engaged in that kind of bullying about a process that is fundamental to our system and to our self-government shouldn’t be anywhere near the Oval Office. and this > While Barr said his former boss should not be the Republican presidential nominee in 2024, he would not on Wednesday rule out voting for Trump if he were to be the nominee. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/485 "2023-08-03T14:26:05Z")
It’s just unfathomable to me. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/486 "2023-08-03T14:28:39Z")
> **[Trump wants 2020 election case moved out of D.C. as city preps for his...](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/03/trump-calls-to-move-2020-election-case-from-dc-to-west-virginia.html)** > > Trump suggested the federal criminal case could be moved from D.C. to the "politically unbiased nearby State of West Virginia!" > [Trump won West Virginia by more than 30 points in the 2020 election.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_West_Virginia) > > Trump said it would be “IMPOSSIBLE” for him to get a fair trial in Washington, in part because he has called for “a Federal TAKEOVER” in the district “in order to bring our Capital back to Greatness.” NB: the link to Wikipedia’s article about West Virginia’s 2020 election results isn’t in CNBC’s article. I provided that. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/487 "2023-08-03T14:28:50Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > Sounds remarkably similar to Cassidy Hutchinson, whose Trump-supplied shyster kept telling her that saying she couldn’t remember wouldn’t be perjury. It’s ethical to represent someone while being paid by someone else, but the lawyer’s duty remains solely to their client, not the guy paying the bills. These Trump paid lawyers should be facing disciplinary action. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/488 "2023-08-03T14:31:30Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > It’s ethical to represent someone while being paid by someone else, That certainly is possible, but I suspect the average Trump lawyer is probably less likely to pull this off compared to the average non-Trump lawyer. He pretty much selects against “ethical” when choosing who to employ. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/489 "2023-08-03T14:46:55Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Trump said it would be “IMPOSSIBLE” for him to get a fair trial in Washington, in part because he has called for “a Federal TAKEOVER” in the district “in order to bring our Capital back to Greatness.” Seems like DC would be an ideal place for Trump to have a trial. Just think of all those disgruntled DC jurors who - if the place is as awful as he claims - should welcome a Trump takeover of DC so their lives could be returned to Greatness. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/490 "2023-08-03T14:52:10Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Seems like DC would be an ideal place for Trump to have a trial. I’m still waiting for Trump to make crude, insulting remarks about having to face a black female judge. Surely this is a deep state plot against him personally. How long can he restrain himelf? One, two, three . . . ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/491 "2023-08-03T14:58:28Z")
If your goal is to burn down an institution and your choice is between “person who refuses to set anything on fire” and “complete idiot who loves matchbooks,” you go with the idiot because it’s ultimately better to keep setting fires. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/492 "2023-08-03T15:02:43Z")
Except he’s also said, in the same interview, that the idiot with a matchbook shouldn’t be anywhere near the Oval Office. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/493 "2023-08-03T15:30:38Z")
Axios has an article with links to others on the 1st Amendment issue. [https://www.axios.com/2023/08/03/trump-defense-jan-6-first-amendment-indictment](https://www.axios.com/2023/08/03/trump-defense-jan-6-first-amendment-indictment) ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/494 "2023-08-03T15:33:18Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > These two quotes, from the same interview, are remarkable. > > > The former attorney general [Barr] also described Trump’s alleged actions as [detailed in the indictment](https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/08/politics/annotated-text-copy-trump-indictment-dg/) as “nauseating” and “despicable,” saying on “The Source,” “someone who engaged in that kind of bullying about a process that is fundamental to our system and to our self-government shouldn’t be anywhere near the Oval Office. > > and this > > > While Barr said his former boss should not be the Republican presidential nominee in 2024, he would not on Wednesday rule out voting for Trump if he were to be the nominee. Not really all that remarkable. Barr is a Republican politician. Part of the Republican Party ethos is that the party comes first, above all else. That is drilled into everyone who becomes an active member of the Republican party. From the lowliest state legislative representative from the smallest rural district to the US Senators. Of course, this doesn’t apply to a Republican president as his ideals are, by definition, those of the party. If you don’t support the party, the party will no longer support you. Barr really has no choice but to say he would vote for Trump if he was representing the party. Liz Cheney has stated, undeniably, the Trump will NOT be allowed to be president again. I wonder what she would say if asked if she would vote for Trump if he was the Republican Candidate? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/495 "2023-08-03T15:34:18Z")
> [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](#): > > I wonder what she would say if asked if she would vote for Trump if he was the Republican Candidate? There’s not a doubt in my mind she would say she would never vote for Trump under any circumstances. ETA: Chaney is a conservative. Trump has no values or agenda. He didn’t even care about his stupid wall. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/496 "2023-08-03T15:46:27Z")
> [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](#): > > Liz Cheney has stated, undeniably, the Trump will NOT be allowed to be president again. I wonder what she would say if asked if she would vote for Trump if he was the Republican Candidate? Liz Cheney is the exception who proves the rule. She wasn’t willing to turn a blind eye to Trump’s Jan. 6 actions, and she got kicked out of office and out of the state party (to the extent they could). ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/497 "2023-08-03T15:47:16Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > There’s not a doubt in my mind she would say she would never vote for Trump under any circumstances. If so, I’d bet it would be along the lines, “Being a Conservative, who are no longer welcome in the Republican Party, I would have no responsibility to vote for Trump. If the Republican Party should return to its Conservative values, they will not allow someone who is not a Conservative, like Trump, to ever run for President under their banner.” As a politician, she would never use just 5 words when 50 would do. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/498 "2023-08-03T16:12:26Z")
she would write in either her or her father’s name. am i the only one amused that the indictment happened on a super full moon day? ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/499 "2023-08-03T16:32:09Z")
But he didn’t just talk in public. He was actively pressuring people, such as Pence and various state officials, to do things that he was advised by his “very, very wise and learned counsel” were illegal. So I don’t see how that flies. I hope not. I want him nailed to the wall, figuratively speaking, and prevented from EVER doing this again or ever being the goddamn president ever fucking again. Sorry, got emotional there. Something I’ve been thinking about is that old saw about yelling “fire” in the movie theater. Since some people say that well, it’s fine for trump to say the election was stolen from him because it’s just talk and not his fault that some of his followers are nuts and came to the Capitol to “stop the steal.” And it’s his free speech to just keep saying the election was stolen, no matter the facts. But if someone yelled “fire” in a theater, having been advised multiple times that there was no fire, and then people all ran out of the building and got trampled and died, wouldn’t they bear some legal responsibility for that? Like, okay, you got your free speech, you yelled “fire,” but because of the situation in which you exercised that free speech, now you gotta pay the piper? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/500 "2023-08-03T17:04:00Z")
the press is in full quiver, and defendant one has not left bedminster. let alone set foot in dc. he will be in front of the magistrate judge today. no mugshot again. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/501 "2023-08-03T17:07:43Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Like, okay, you got your free speech, you yelled “fire,” but because of the situation in which you exercised that free speech, now you gotta pay the piper? **Brandenburg v Ohio, 1969** _Henceforth, advocacy could be punished only “where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”_ A very positive defense for Trump would be “I never told them to storm the Capitol building.” **Now** we know that his speech would rile his cult members to do so. Back then, we didn’t. Now I have to go take a shower because you made me defend that toad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=26)