# DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455 "2022-11-23T20:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/562 "2023-08-03T23:02:21Z")
Judge: _“Mr Trump, you are being charged with plotting to overturn your election loss. How do you plead?”_ Trump: _“Not guilty.”_ He is pleading that he did not try to overturn his election loss… sooo, he is finally admitting he lost the election? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/563 "2023-08-03T23:06:27Z")
That is, of course, far more eloquent than anything Trump could either think through or articulate. To someone of Trump’s (lack of) intellectual capacity, the strategy doesn’t go beyond “just make up some bullshit and keep repeating it”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/564 "2023-08-03T23:11:13Z")
> [@John 7:7](#): > > The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. As if Loser Donald knows a single Bible verse. I remember seeing a Howard Stern transcript where he read the number 112 as “eleven-twelve”, so it’s likely another one of his tics. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/565 "2023-08-03T23:36:17Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > The best part of today’s proceedings for me was learning how Trump was admonished to not tamper with witnesses or jurors, or he could “be held” pending adjudication of the case. I do hope he understands what this means. The wonderful and amazing thing about this is that it would likely never even come up when dealing with a normal defendant, but such is Trump’s reputation and the well-known nature of his integrity that witness and jury tampering is of special concern to the court. It’s exactly like dealing with a mobster. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/566 "2023-08-03T23:38:17Z")
Well, he’s in the big leagues now. Something he always dreamed of. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/567 "2023-08-04T00:03:32Z")
That would make a great NFT to add to his collection. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/568 "2023-08-04T00:22:53Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > For someone being so honored, he sure spent a lot of time looking super pissed off! I’m reminded of some pictures I saw recently of Greta Thunberg being arrested at one of her demonstrations. She was perfectly relaxed, at ease, and smiling, because she knew that by being arrested, she was winning. Whatever he might say, Trump knows that what’s happening with him is not him winning. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/569 "2023-08-04T00:25:04Z")
I wonder what the Over/Under is on Trump violating that court order? I have a little cash to spare… ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/570 "2023-08-04T01:24:44Z")
Odds are that Trump has little to no knowledge of what constitutes tampering, so he’s going to do it, deliberately or not. Then things get interesting. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/571 "2023-08-04T01:56:08Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Paraphrased, “I’ve got a great lead in the polls over Biden, and so they want to persecute me by prosecuting me.” Which is kind of hilarious because he’s got a big lead in _what_? Which election is he talking about? The one that hasn’t started yet? I could start a straw poll and beat Biden in a theoretical head to head right now. Me, myself, some random dude from the internet who can’t even run for the job! I am 100% certain I could find a corner of the internet where fools would happily pronounce me to be a better alternative than Sleepy Joe. Look, I’m in the lead! No need to bother with this election nonsense, it’s too easy to cheat and the people have already spoken so everyone just move along now. Trump is declaring himself the winner before the race has even started. He tried a similar tactic back in 2020, telling everyone they should stop counting as soon as he was in the lead. But his fundamental misunderstanding/deliberate ignorance about how races work is not a great defense. It won’t even sell to his own people. Has anyone ever won a NASCAR race because they were in the lead for a second during a warm-up lap? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/572 "2023-08-04T02:16:35Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > As if Loser Donald knows a single Bible verse He very familiar with a number of the Ten Commandments. He’s got graven images, adultery, stealing, coveting, false witness down cold. /end hijack ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/573 "2023-08-04T02:25:47Z")
An entirely interesting article with lots of fascinating little facts I hadn’t heard about today’s court hearing. > **[Inside the courtroom: Donald Trump, Jack Smith and a historic glance](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/03/inside-courtroom-trump-arraignment-00109777)** > > The former president sat at the very same courtroom table that has been occupied by Jan. 6 defendants who stormed the Capitol in his name. > Minutes before Trump entered the pin-drop silent room, several federal judges — who have been processing the carnage of Jan. 6, 2021 for more than two years — filed into the public gallery, turning themselves into spectators in a building they typically rule. . > …Chief Judge James Boasberg, who presided over several of the secret grand jury battles…Alongside him was Judge Amy Berman Jackson…flanked by other judges and magistrate judges, watched Trump’s every move intently…Magistrate Judge Moxila Upadhyaya — whose family members were present in the public gallery… Sounds like it was quite the place to be if you were a DC judge who has been dealing with J6 rioters and insurrectionists for the past couple years. Then there was Jack Smith, silently watching. > Smith said nothing audible during his hour in the room, but repeatedly shot glances at Trump, who occasionally shot them back until their eyes briefly met. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/574 "2023-08-04T02:40:00Z")
> > > > Harry Turtledove @HNTurtledove Eh, I didn’t know Rupar’s quote of Turtledove’s tweet would be fully displayed. Will leave it as it is, though. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/575 "2023-08-04T02:40:19Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I wonder what the Over/Under is on Trump violating that court order? I have a little cash to spare… Well, we can use Trump’s favourite time period: two weeks. As in, “He’ll violate the order in under two weeks.” But I don’t think he will violate the order. Not directly, anyway. He’s like a Godfather-style mob boss; never responsible for anything, but very good at dropping broad hints to associates about what he would like to have occur. “Y’know, Sonny, that’s a fine witness the feds have there. Be a shame if anything happened to him.” ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/576 "2023-08-04T02:52:06Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > He is asked to state his name and age he says, Donald j trump, John., seven seven AKA Double Not 7 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/577 "2023-08-04T03:00:37Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > DOJ/Smith can indict them whenever he chooses, even simultaneous to the Trump case. I’m interested to see the timing of it. Does the constitutional right to a speedy trial apply, pre-charge? Can Smith sit on indictments for the co-conspirators indefinitely, or at some point does he have to bring an indictment? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/578 "2023-08-04T03:13:04Z")
Yes: > In the first stage — before arrest or indictment, when the suspect remains at liberty — statutes of limitations provide the primary protection against delay, with the Due Process Clause as a safeguard against fundamentally unfair prosecutorial conduct. United States v. Lovasco, 431 U.S. 783, 789, 97 S.Ct. 2044, 52 L.Ed.2d 752 (1977); see id., at 795, n. 17, 97 S.Ct. 2044 (Due Process Clause may be violated, for instance, by prosecutorial delay that is “tactical” or “reckless” (internal quotation marks omitted)). [Betterman v Montana](https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9219179938723578652) I’d also note that, from a practical standpoint, people will forget stuff as time goes on, the prosecutor’s priorities will move on to other cases, and other things will interfere with the ability of the prosecutor to bring his case, if he delays it overly. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/579 "2023-08-04T03:13:47Z")
Just to make @DWMarch’s point, and because it’s funny to respond to: > [@DWMarch](#): > > I could start a straw poll and beat Biden in a theoretical head to head right now. Me, myself, some random dude from the internet who can’t even run for the job! I am 100% certain I could find a corner of the internet where fools would happily pronounce me to be a better alternative than Sleepy Joe. Keeping in mind the point, here’s the poll! _Poll ([view on site](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/579))_ ETA - in the event this happens, I demand an equally fictional cabinet position for which I am equally unqualified for. Squid Pro Row. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/580 "2023-08-04T03:30:05Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [https://twitter.com/HNTurtledove/status/1687285665824911360?t=hR0DRDA71S2pQ3JgBJVYLQ&s=19](https://twitter.com/HNTurtledove/status/1687285665824911360?t=hR0DRDA71S2pQ3JgBJVYLQ&s=19) > > [https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1687288034289459201?t=ACBbC9HP6zJIFiMtniE\_5Q&s=19](https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1687288034289459201?t=ACBbC9HP6zJIFiMtniE_5Q&s=19) > > Eh, I didn’t know Rupar’s quote of Turtledove’s tweet would be fully displayed. Will leave it as it is, though. Pence says something a little different. I guess he mysteriously woke up with a spine yesterday, but he made it perfectly clear that he wasn’t asked to pause the voting or send votes back to the states for review, but that Trump wanted him to reject the vote outright so it would go to the state delegations in the house and Trump would win. > **[Mike Pence delivers one of his strongest criticisms yet of Trump](https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/mike-pence-delivers-one-of-his-strongest-criticisms-yet-of-trump-189881925589)** > > Former Vice President Mike Pence on Wednesday gave one of his strongest criticisms yet of Donald Trump and Trump's actions on January 6. The clip I’m referencing is the first one played in this story. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/581 "2023-08-04T04:10:13Z")
According to a “breaking news” on O’Donnell (about an hour ago since I’m watching a recording), Lauro said the same thing on NewsMax: “At the end, he (meaning Trump) asked Mr Pence to pause the voting for ten days, allow the state legislatures to weigh in and then they could make a determination to audit or reaudit or recertify.” (According to the indictment, John Eastman considered pausing the process only ~~mostly dead~~ a _little_ violation of the Electoral Count Act.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=30)