# DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455 "2022-11-23T20:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/582 "2023-08-04T05:06:32Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > [https://images.theconversation.com/files/521346/original/file-20230417-14-llf0n.png?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&rect=0%2C73%2C1196%2C598&q=45&auto=format&w=1356&h=668&fit=crop](https://images.theconversation.com/files/521346/original/file-20230417-14-llf0n.png?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&rect=0%2C73%2C1196%2C598&q=45&auto=format&w=1356&h=668&fit=crop) I think we have our presidential portrait! ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/583 "2023-08-04T05:14:23Z")
The clip @OttoDaFe is referring to can be seen here: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/eJ0rovoLqAo/maxresdefault.jpg "Lawrence: Trump's own lawyer just quoted Trump committing a crime") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ0rovoLqAo) As regards Trump’s lawyer, there is also another clip that is relevant: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/gfXTcrxgNxY/hqdefault.jpg "It was at this moment that he knew he f\*cked up sound effect no copyright") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfXTcrxgNxY) ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/584 "2023-08-04T06:29:46Z")
Thanks for posting that (for some reason I can’t get an inline link to work anymore). Just a nitpick, in this clip he’s talking about the earlier Fox interview; my quote came from a later interview on NewsMax. Consensus from the panel is that his strategy — to the extent he has one — is to play to the public in general, and to the one gullible juror in particular, trying to make a pause seem reasonable (“just to make sure everything is on the up & up, what’s wrong with that?”). What’s wrong with that is the minor quibble that the ECA doesn’t allow for pausing the certification, something the judge is almost certain to point out to the jury as part of their instructions. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/585 "2023-08-04T09:22:52Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I wonder what the Over/Under is on Trump violating that court order? I have a little cash to spare… Which court order? I missed it. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/586 "2023-08-04T12:44:50Z")
Wow, I am gobsmacked. It truly sounds like Trump’s own attorney just admitted on a national broadcast that his client broke the law. How NOT to lawyer 101 ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/587 "2023-08-04T12:47:10Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > Thanks for posting that (for some reason I can’t get an inline link to work anymore). Just a nitpick, in this clip he’s talking about the earlier Fox interview; my quote came from a later interview on NewsMax. > > Consensus from the panel is that his strategy — to the extent he has one — is to play to the public in general, and to the one gullible juror in particular, trying to make a pause seem reasonable (“just to make sure everything is on the up & up, what’s wrong with that?”). What’s wrong with that is the minor quibble that the ECA doesn’t allow for pausing the certification, something the judge is almost certain to point out to the jury as part of their instructions. Not to mention that Pence himself has contradicted Lauro, very clearly saying he was asked to reject the votes outright, not call for a pause. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/588 "2023-08-04T12:48:56Z")
And it can’t be Pence who’s lying because Trump said he’s “Too Honest.” ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/589 "2023-08-04T12:56:36Z")
My birthday! The perfect gift would be Trump in an orange jumpsuit being hauled away in chains. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/590 "2023-08-04T13:44:03Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > It truly sounds like Trump’s own attorney just admitted on a national broadcast that his client broke the law. > > How NOT to lawyer 101 Generally, statements by someone’s lawyers are considered statements by the client’s agent and admissible. I have to think that wouldn’t apply to confessions, but I’ve never seen this situation before. > **[SCC Snippets| Are Clients Or Courts Bound By Lawyer's Statements Or...](https://www.scconline.com/blog/post/2022/01/25/scc-snippets-are-clients-or-courts-bound-by-lawyers-statements-or-admissions-as-to-matters-of-law-or-legal-conclusions/)** > > In Himalayan Coop. Group Housing Society v. Balwan Singh, (2015) 7 SCC 373 a three-judge Bench of the then CJI Justice HL ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/591 "2023-08-04T13:44:39Z")
it was mentioned last night that no one from trump’s family was there. the judge had family there, but not the defendant. huh. interesting how many judges were in the courtroom. after dealing with hundreds of cases, i guess they wanted to see the leader of it all arraigned. reporting is that trump is hopping mad that the judge called him “mr trump”. i say good enough for washington. surely good enough for trump. interesting how not only doesn’t trump understand “right to stay silent”, his lawyers don’t as well. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/592 "2023-08-04T14:28:44Z")
I’d certainly trust Pence’s word over Trump’s lawyer. I seem to recall that Pence’s lawyer was also consulted so presumably he’d also be able to testify about what happened? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/593 "2023-08-04T14:43:08Z")
Only if Pence waived the privilege. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/594 "2023-08-04T14:48:01Z")
How’s about gluttony? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/595 "2023-08-04T14:51:27Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Which court order? > **[Former President Trump released on bond under strict rules after not-guilty...](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/03/-donald-trump-arraignment-live-updates.html)** > > Former President Donald Trump entered a not-guilty plea to Magistrate Judge Moxila Upadhyaya, who set the date for his next hearing as Aug. 28. > Trump — who loves talking to people both in person and on social media — got a clear warning at his arraignment against talking too much to people who might be witnesses in the election conspiracy case he now faces. > > It’s a restriction that could prove especially difficult for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/596 "2023-08-04T15:06:00Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Odds are that Trump has little to no knowledge of what constitutes tampering “That wasn’t jury “tampering”, it was jury “Trumpering”, a completely different and perfectly legal thing that I alone can do. What was that? No, I don’t have any family, so they can’t jury Trumper either! It’s just me!” Donald Trump Jr.: “Denying my existence just proves how smrt my dad is!” Everyone else: “Did you just make a typo while speaking aloud?” ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/597 "2023-08-04T15:13:54Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > Consensus from the panel is that his strategy — to the extent he has one — is to play to the public in general, and to the one gullible juror in particular, trying to make a pause seem reasonable (“just to make sure everything is on the up & up, what’s wrong with that?”). What’s wrong with that is the minor quibble that the ECA doesn’t allow for pausing the certification, something the judge is almost certain to point out to the jury as part of their instructions. This is the thing: This trial really won’t be about the facts. Pretty much everything Trump is factually accused of doing, has been admitted by Trump at some point, we all saw it happening live. Has he ever denied making those phone calls? Nope, not as far as I’m aware. In fact, he quite often brags about those very phone calls. This case will be determined entirely on the basis of, was what he did a crime? Of course Trump is of the opinion that everything he ever does is perfect&legal, so this all comes down to, can he convince the jury of that? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/598 "2023-08-04T15:14:13Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > How’s about gluttony? One of the seven deadly sins (pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, gluttony and sloth) but not in the bible. DJT has aced these. Back to the DOJ thread. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/599 "2023-08-04T15:16:23Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > interesting how many judges were in the courtroom. after dealing with hundreds of cases, i guess they wanted to see the leader of it all arraigned. I can see this. It’s like the people who worked on the Apollo program wanting to see the Apollo 11 launch live in person. “This is where I was when history was made!” ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/600 "2023-08-04T15:41:05Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > This case will be determined entirely on the basis of, was what he did a crime? Of course Trump is of the opinion that everything he ever does is perfect&legal, so this all comes down to, can he convince the jury of that? His strategy seems to weigh heavily on appealing to the court of public opinion. If he wants to try those arguments in an actual court, I think he’d have to testify, and I don’t see him subjecting himself to cross examination. But I think he’s unhinged, and you never know. Maybe he’ll change it. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/601 "2023-08-04T15:43:34Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > His strategy seems to weigh heavily on appealing to the court of public opinion. And he may be stupid enough to actually think that will make a difference in a real court. Winning in the court of “public opinion” while losing in actual court is just a fancy way of saying, “[Let’s have a war!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJAlIHsXcLY)” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=31)