# DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455 "2022-11-23T20:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1002 "2023-08-09T01:07:26Z")
Don’t bet on that. I was on a jury where that happened. The juror would not budge, and after 3 days we were released. There was no moving that person. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1003 "2023-08-09T01:11:19Z")
Thank you! I don’t think I ever saw him so sweat. I saw the clip where he mentioned bovine feces, which started a chant. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1004 "2023-08-09T01:18:43Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > We sat 6 alternates in a high profile criminal case I once worked on. Were they 12 jurors and 6 alternates or 18 with the dozen selected to deliberate at trial’s end? It seems to me the latter would keep everyone invested in the trial’s proceedings. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1005 "2023-08-09T01:25:23Z")
Every judge does this differently, in my experience. Personally, I’m with you: Draw the regular jurors at the end. In this particular case, the alternates were designated as alternates from the start of the trial. The oath for alternates is slightly different from the usual oath administered to regular jurors. (And damn, I still remember them both!) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1006 "2023-08-09T01:56:34Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Or he might deliberately violate a court order to keep himself front and center in the news, and to show he’s willing to go to jail rather than be bossed around. Oh please, oh please, oh please. 🙏 ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1007 "2023-08-09T02:04:23Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I mean, it’s one thing to delay, delay, delay, but usually it’s done without fanfare with at least a fig-leaf of deniability. To publicly announce this as a strategy Did someone pronounce it? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1008 "2023-08-09T02:47:44Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > he’s telling his supporters he’s being silenced [![](https://i0.wp.com/leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2018/08/silenced.png) ](https://i0.wp.com/leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2018/08/silenced.png) ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1009 "2023-08-09T03:01:36Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > > > Or he might deliberately violate a court order to keep himself front and center in the news, and to show he’s willing to go to jail rather than be bossed around. > > Oh please, oh please, oh please. 🙏 You want him to prove he’s not the physical coward we, and even swing voters, suspect? Consider: [Convicted Virginia state legislator wins election while in jail](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-virginia-election/convicted-virginia-state-legislator-wins-election-while-in-jail-idUSKBN0KN0A220150114) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1010 "2023-08-09T04:12:38Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > There has not been a single hung jury due to a MAGA juror in any J6 trial. Why is there any reason to think one will slip through the cracks for the most important trial of all? Because January 6th was an antifa false flag operation, of course. Trumpers might have been the most eager jurors to convict. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1011 "2023-08-09T10:59:54Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > There has not been a single hung jury due to a MAGA juror in any J6 trial. Why is there any reason to think one will slip through the cracks for the most important trial of all? The reasons are: – The federal jury trial conviction rate for politicians is lower than for defendants in general – I don’t find recent statistics, but the hung jury rate in D.C. is historically higher than elsewhere ([see 12.8 percent hung on all counts on page 11 here](https://www.ncsc-jurystudies.org/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/7469/the-hung-jury-the-american-jury.pdf)). – The number of J6 jury trials (2 or 3?) does not rise to statistical significance, and all were different from this one in that the defendant was physically placed in the Capitol Others here will add that Smith’s case is unusually strong. I personally do not have a way to measure this and so put that aside. So – High likelihood of conviction. But there will be a legitimate feeling of suspense while waiting for the jury to come back. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1012 "2023-08-09T11:58:49Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > There also is the possibility of 11 jurors going to the judge and saying that the consistent holdout was failing to deliberate. And lied during voir dire ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1013 "2023-08-09T14:59:13Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > So – High likelihood of conviction. But there will be a legitimate feeling of suspense while waiting for the jury to come back. That’s probably always true in Federal criminal cases. There are no “sure things” in any litigation. That why the number of civil settlements and criminal plea bargains are so high. There’s always a risk that things don’t turn out as you expect. Always. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1014 "2023-08-09T16:57:16Z")
Just revealed that the special prosecutor subpoened Trump’s twitter account. For those of you who use twitter, are there “private messages” that could come to light? I assume so, because there would be no reason to subpoena the public stuff. > **[Special counsel obtained search warrant for Donald Trump's Twitter account |...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/09/politics/special-counsel-trump-twitter-search-warrant/index.html)** > > The special counsel investigation into Donald Trump secured a search warrant of the former president’s Twitter account, @realDonaldTrump, according to a newly unsealed court filing. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1015 "2023-08-09T16:58:43Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > For those of you who use twitter, are there “private messages” that could come to light? > **[How to Direct Message (DM) on X | X Help](https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/direct-messages)** > > X DMs allow you to talk privately with others on X. Learn how to Direct Message someone on X. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1016 "2023-08-09T16:59:22Z")
Not a twit user, but I think this would give them access to now-deleted tweets. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1017 "2023-08-09T16:59:40Z")
i was just about to post this many interesting tidbits. The search was so secret that Twitter was barred from telling Trump the search warrant had been obtained for his account, and Twitter was fined $350,000 because it delayed producing the records sought under the search warrant. The special counsel’s office, which is now working on the criminal case against Trump in DC District Court related to his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, sought the warrant in January 2023. Twitter and special counsel Jack Smith’s office spent several months litigating the question of whether Trump should be told about the search warrant. The dispute came to light on Wednesday when the DC Circuit Court of Appeals unsealed a decision upholding a district court ruling in favor of prohibiting Twitter from telling Trump. The district court, according to the DC Circuit’s opinion, “found that there were ‘reasonable grounds to believe’ that disclosing the warrant to former President Trump ‘would seriously jeopardize the ongoing investigation’ by giving him “an opportunity to destroy evidence, change patterns of behavior, [or] notify confederates.” ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1018 "2023-08-09T17:28:24Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > The search was so secret that Twitter was barred from telling Trump the search warrant had been obtained for his account Sounds similar to financial money-laundering regulations. When I was working for a credit card processor if certain suspicious transactions – several transactions just below the $10,000 reporting limit or a small retailer suddenly having transactions for much larger amounts than usual to name a couple – we\* were to report it to the Feds and _not_ report it to the business. \*The collective we. The frontline workers would tell the higher-ups who would determine whether the bank I worked for would tell the Feds. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1019 "2023-08-09T17:33:22Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > President Trump ‘would seriously jeopardize the ongoing investigation’ by giving him “an opportunity to destroy…notify confederates.” The South _will_ rise ag’in! ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1020 "2023-08-09T17:45:42Z")
> The district court also concluded the non-disclosure order was necessary because it “found reason to believe that the former President would ‘flee from prosecution’, it says. \*from the Guardian Blog ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1021 "2023-08-09T18:09:04Z")
> [@slumtrimpet](#): > > The district court also concluded the non-disclosure order was necessary because it “found reason to believe that the former President would ‘flee from prosecution’, it says. Incidentally, I read on Huffpost this morning that Trump ‘tweeted’ he’d rather be living overseas (specifically, the South of France). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=52)