# DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455 "2022-11-23T20:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1042 "2023-08-09T20:04:57Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > He desperately wants to be part of the group that laughs at him. This has always been true. For years he was desperate for affirmation from and positive coverage in the NYTimes for his business success, despite his professed contempt for the paper. He really is nothing but an arrested-development pathetically insecure teenager. ---
**Author:** ![Civil\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d78d45/32.png) [@Civil\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Civil_Guy)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1043 "2023-08-09T20:05:26Z")
Is the island of Elba available? For purchase, maybe? Once it was explained to him, it’s something Trump might go for. True, it would make French heads explode… ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1044 "2023-08-09T20:07:33Z")
I gotta believe Special Council has mixed feelings about protective orders to get Trump to shut up. On the one hand, they really don’t want him intimidating potential witnesses or poisoning the jury pool, but on the other hand, it seems every day he opens his mouth he either finds a new way to confess to crimes, or destroys potential defenses. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1045 "2023-08-09T20:36:14Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > most likely yet another ‘smart’ idea to delay things until his “friends” put him back in power or pardon him. He might enjoy being crowned El Presidente In Absentia. Although he would probably ask to have a nice palace in the capital city of Absentia. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1046 "2023-08-09T20:38:56Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Actually, you could make a comedy out of any of these scenarios. _Stupid Man in Strange Land_ Already been done, albeit with British citizens. > **[An Idiot Abroad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Idiot_Abroad)** > > An Idiot Abroad is a British travel documentary comedy television series broadcast on Sky One, as well as a series of companion books published by Canongate Books, created by Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant and starring Karl Pilkington. The ongoing theme of both the television series and the books is that Pilkington has no interest in global travel, so Merchant and Gervais make him travel while they stay in the United Kingdom and monitor his progress. > Originally developed under the working... ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1047 "2023-08-09T20:41:02Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > (Knowing Trump, it wouldn’t surprise me to find out that he’s friends with Roman Polanski.) Narrator: What Trump doesn’t realize is that he’s not a citizen of France. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1048 "2023-08-09T21:23:43Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > there would be no reason to subpoena the public stuff Actually there is: the chain of custody forestalls any “Fake! Forged screenshot!” defenses. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1049 "2023-08-09T21:27:21Z")
> [@slumtrimpet](#): > > found reason to believe that the former President would ‘flee from prosecution’ I have a mental image of Chump adding a nitrous oxide booster tank to his golf cart for that extra burst of speed. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1050 "2023-08-09T22:09:44Z")
The Fat and the Furious part 77? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1051 "2023-08-09T22:39:50Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > Doesn’t France have an extradition treaty with the US? Yes, though there are exceptions on both sides that can lead to long delays or complete refusal. > **[Ira Einhorn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Einhorn)** > > Ira Samuel Einhorn (May 15, 1940 – April 3, 2020), known as "The Unicorn Killer", was an American convicted murderer and environmental activist. He was convicted of murdering his ex-girlfriend, Holly Maddux. On September 9, 1977, Maddux disappeared following a trip to collect her belongings from the apartment she and Einhorn had shared in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Eighteen months later, police found her partially decomposed body in a trunk in Einhorn's closet. > After his arrest, Einhorn fled ... > In 1997, Einhorn was arrested in Champagne-Mouton, France, where he had been living under the name “Eugène Mallon”. The extradition process, however, proved more complex than initially envisioned. Under the extradition treaty between France and the United States, either country may refuse extradition under certain circumstances, and Einhorn used multiple avenues to avoid extradition. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1052 "2023-08-09T22:42:00Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > That feels like a prelude to fleeing the country. Smith will likely have to respond to prevent it. Homestead ARB still has F-16s, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1053 "2023-08-09T22:45:59Z")
Moderating: We’re getting pretty far afield. Let’s get back to discussing the actual investigation, please. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1054 "2023-08-10T02:09:26Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Trump ‘Truthed’ that if they come after him, he will come after them. I know it’s an empty threat, but isn’t a threat against a Federal Judge no matter how empty, sort of frowned on? I am WAY below an Article 3 judge, but on the very rare instances (2 or 3 in 13 or so years IIRC) that boneheads made even a vague threat against me, I was impressed at how seriously the Federal Protective Service took them. Similar to the way the Secret Service takes seriously even pretty clearly meaningless threats against any sitting President. Trump is a private citizen. I hope he is treated as one. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1055 "2023-08-10T18:14:49Z")
BREAKING: > ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1056 "2023-08-10T18:24:48Z")
Nice Christmas present. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1057 "2023-08-10T18:26:16Z")
That timing seems fair. I wonder if the judge will go along. I’m sure Trump’s team will cry and wail. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1058 "2023-08-10T18:26:36Z")
Wouldn’t it be sweet to get the verdict Jan. 6? ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1059 "2023-08-10T18:33:24Z")
Just caught up to all 1,057 posts. Yay! re: trial date. I’ve previously read that DOJ would propose a Dec 2023 trial date (they did Jan 2, 2024) with the goal of the Judge issuing a March 2024 trial date. Alvin Bragg in the NY state case has pretty much said he would move his March 2024 trial date to accommodate a federal trial. All to say, this is a negotiation and getting something within a few months of Jan 2024 should be considered a win. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1060 "2023-08-10T18:38:11Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Wouldn’t it be sweet to get the verdict Jan. 6? That’s ahhh… optimistic. 🙂 But maybe it’s a good start date for jury selection to commence? In the courts I worked in, jury selection in a case like this would probably take up to a month. @Procrustus has said it moves much quicker in federal court, so let’s say two weeks. That would mean a trial start date in mid to late January. Time estimate for trial, 3-6 weeks. So erring on the side of longer rather than shorter, verdict by the beginning of April. I can live with that. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1061 "2023-08-10T18:41:20Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > Wouldn’t it be sweet to get the verdict Jan. 6? > > That’s ahhh… optimistic. 🙂 But maybe it’s a good start date for jury selection to commence? But the schedule @JohnT shared has jury selection starting Dec. 11, with the trial starting Jan. 2. Are you saying that will all be pushed back? (I realize the trial will probably take longer than 4 days, so Jan. 6 isn’t realistic. Jan. 20 would also be sort of fitting.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=54)