# DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455 "2022-11-23T20:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1202 "2023-08-16T18:17:55Z")
> [@7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4514): > > One thing I find intriguing is the absence of Lin Wood. He may well be among the unindicted, and since he was neck-deep in the legal shenanigans this raises the possibility that he’s flipping/flipped. Since he was one of the Zeroth Triumvirate along with Rudy and Sidney, that would be terrible, horrible, no good, very bad news for the rest of the team (assuming he’s fully cooperative, which is by no means a slam dunk). ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1203 "2023-08-16T20:00:10Z")
Last two minutes from MeidasTouch where they surmise that Meadows may have already pled guilty and the supremacy clause would apply in that case. [https://youtu.be/mgSKVETaIow?t=1165](https://youtu.be/mgSKVETaIow?t=1165) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1204 "2023-08-16T20:07:27Z")
This sounds like a very strong possibility. It’s been strongly suggested that Meadows is cooperating with the Federal case. He was inside the whole conspiracy, and his testimony would be a smoking gun. It makes sense that he wants to make sure his cooperation in the federal case will mean that he skates on the State case. I just hope he offers testimony in the Georgia case as well. His testimony could well seal the deal for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1205 "2023-08-16T20:16:49Z")
More speculation that Meadows has flipped: > **[Mark Meadows surfaces at last — and it sure looks like he's flipped on Trump](https://www.salon.com/2023/08/16/mark-meadows-surfaces-at-last--and-it-sure-looks-like-hes-flipped-on/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark)** > > Plot thickens: Meadows was not mentioned in the federal case — and has every chance of skating on Georgia charges ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1206 "2023-08-16T20:47:37Z")
Hmmmm……I think there might be a mistake in that article, because it says that by moving to federal court he would get a jury pool drawn frim the entire state. Unless Georgia works differently from other federal courts, I believe the jury pool would be drawn from the Northern District (one of three districts in GA), not the entire state. This is still friendlier to a Republican than a Fulton County jury. OTOH, currently the case has been handed to a Kemp appointed judge, who I’m assuming is a Republican. If it goes federal he stands a good chance of drawing a judge appointed by a Democrat. Unless the fix is in. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1207 "2023-08-16T21:53:18Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Unless Georgia works differently from other federal courts, I believe the jury pool would be drawn from the Northern District (one of three districts in GA), not the entire state. > > This is still friendlier to a Republican than a Fulton County jury. OTOH, currently the case has been handed to a Kemp appointed judge, who I’m assuming is a Republican. If it goes federal he stands a good chance of drawing a judge appointed by a Democrat. Unless the fix is in. Correct. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1208 "2023-08-16T23:31:22Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Hmmmm……I think there might be a mistake in that article, because it says that by moving to federal court he would get a jury pool drawn frim the entire state. Ain’t gonna need a jury if he’s pleading guilty. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1209 "2023-08-17T00:53:16Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Unless Georgia works differently from other federal courts, I believe the jury pool would be drawn from the Northern District (one of three districts in GA), not the entire state. It’s even better than that. Just the “Division” around Atlanta. > 1. Atlanta Division: Cherokee, Clayton, Cobb, DeKalb, Douglas, Fulton, Gwinnett, > Henry, Newton, and Rockdale. > **[NDGARulesAppA.pdf](https://www.gand.uscourts.gov/sites/gand/files/local_rules/NDGARulesAppA.pdf)** > > 87.24 KB ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1210 "2023-08-17T03:12:02Z")
And the reasoned political discourse concerning the prosecution has begun, as reported by the NYTimes (gift link): [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/16/us/politics/woman-arrested-death-threat-judge-chutkan.html?unlocked\_article\_code=tUkqal3ySWCFjtMscaqeVlrnLv7aXjMFpfXUz0YOApL1P1SJma8sfrV8x95BX62cnuwE600x1S9WtxEDCLZ\_JLNP8bPIxZZv8DtXdYwEjmPdQCOm01Zd3kurhOLw3PNtC4iIcR3KVLx-3G2OuaRx5yHbe6UUp55HM2jZlAUfkZc1Gy2lHloT8I3VpInLCZeNR0iYXuJ7f5POsW4-Ww3Q0YZ8jic\_ijK1CfIP3M3N6uJdHfcLVtS-v7tTcTQwxiC-vg1pb13AzmpYz9Pu5Z1e2ArRFMGudrLPdDHWyYTWp\_e-XLngC6QhMma0xc2ieOiMbj6\_EihGFabQrhb7GEkCSbf2Ed3OT9z3V9bv2tjEz2J6s97xcSc0Dg&smid=url-share](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/16/us/politics/woman-arrested-death-threat-judge-chutkan.html?unlocked_article_code=tUkqal3ySWCFjtMscaqeVlrnLv7aXjMFpfXUz0YOApL1P1SJma8sfrV8x95BX62cnuwE600x1S9WtxEDCLZ_JLNP8bPIxZZv8DtXdYwEjmPdQCOm01Zd3kurhOLw3PNtC4iIcR3KVLx-3G2OuaRx5yHbe6UUp55HM2jZlAUfkZc1Gy2lHloT8I3VpInLCZeNR0iYXuJ7f5POsW4-Ww3Q0YZ8jic_ijK1CfIP3M3N6uJdHfcLVtS-v7tTcTQwxiC-vg1pb13AzmpYz9Pu5Z1e2ArRFMGudrLPdDHWyYTWp_e-XLngC6QhMma0xc2ieOiMbj6_EihGFabQrhb7GEkCSbf2Ed3OT9z3V9bv2tjEz2J6s97xcSc0Dg&smid=url-share) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1211 "2023-08-17T03:27:49Z")
Definitely a MAGAt. Ms. Shry’s father, Mark Shry, testified that she was a “nonviolent alcoholic” who “sits on her couch daily watching the news while drinking too many beers. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1212 "2023-08-17T03:33:06Z")
And then, becoming agitated by the news, gets on the phone to call various people, as she did in this instance. No intention of taking it further. Harmless. Maybe she is, but I can easily see other MAGAts making all kinds of threats, and following through. Scary. I would not want to be Judge Chutkan, any of her staff, Jack Smith, Fani Willis, the Georgia Grand Jurors, any of their families, other judicial personnel involved in any indictment, etc. etc. etc. Some MAGAts are unhinged enough to do something drastic, and it ain’t gonna be pretty. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1213 "2023-08-17T03:37:59Z")
> At the hearing, court papers said, Ms. Shry’s father, Mark Shry, testified that she was a “nonviolent alcoholic” who “sits on her couch daily watching the news while drinking too many beers.” > > After drinking, Mr. Shry told a judge in Texas, Ms. Shry often became “agitated by the news” and started “calling people and threatening them,” the papers said. So, just a typical MAGAt. Any guesses on what “news” she watches? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1214 "2023-08-17T03:51:44Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > So, just a typical MAGAt. Any guesses on what “news” she watches? Both kinds of course. Fox and Newsmax! ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1215 "2023-08-17T03:55:09Z")
Just had another thought, and it could be chilling. By publicizing this incident, the NYT did its job: it reported the news. But I’m wondering if this kind of publicity is ultimately beneficial to anybody. Ms. Shry might be having her fifteen minutes of fame, no matter how harmless (and drunk) she seems. But how many MAGAts will hear about this and say to themselves, “I’ll finish what she started”? Whereas, if they didn’t know from the media, they might not do anything except bloviate on RWNJ message boards. I recall an old friend who used to operate Toronto subway trains. He’s told me that, on average, there is one suicide a day on the subway system, usually by people jumping in front of trains. But you never hear about them. “Of course not,” he said. “We don’t want to give them publicity _which might encourage copycats_. So you’ll never hear about it.” Emphasis mine, and perhaps this is more of a GD question, and I certainly don’t want to veer this thread off into a hijack. But maybe “Should these kind of incidents be reported in the media?” is a question that should be asked. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1216 "2023-08-17T04:07:34Z")
I would take it the other way: a warning that if threaten, you go to jail. (Mind you, I don’t think the charge will stick, given that she appears to just make drunken threats from her couch in Texas. Hard to see it meeting the 1st Amendment standard of imminent risk to a judge in DC.) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1217 "2023-08-17T11:13:08Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > I recall an old friend who used to operate Toronto subway trains. He’s told me that, on average, there is one suicide a day on the subway system, usually by people jumping in front of trains. That seems unlikely. [This article is a few years](https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/09/10/ttc-offering-help-to-those-who-witness-suicides-on-subways) old, but it’s about TTC setting up systems to provide care to people who witness subway suicides. A rep says the average is 33 a year. I guess it could also be a massive government cover-up, too. So far as the caller goes, it’s good that people see she’s going to jail for making death threats. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1218 "2023-08-17T11:45:09Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It makes sense that he wants to make sure his cooperation in the federal case will mean that he skates on the State case. I just hope he offers testimony in the Georgia case as well. Surely any deal they made with him includes a requirement to cooperate with any investigations/prosecutions related to this whole mess. Once he’s testified Federally, why not just say the same things in a State level court? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1219 "2023-08-17T11:49:53Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Ms. Shry’s father, Mark Shry, testified that she was a “nonviolent alcoholic” who “sits on her couch daily watching the news while drinking too many beers. Turns out Dean Wormer was right; fat, drunk and stupid _is_ no way to go through life. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1220 "2023-08-17T16:05:36Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > (Mind you, I don’t think the charge will stick, given that she appears to just make drunken threats from her couch in Texas. Hard to see it meeting the 1st Amendment standard of imminent risk to a judge in DC.) What is the standard, i wonder. I imagine hundreds of crackpots make vile and malicious idle threats every day. We don’t hear about hundreds of arrests every day. I’d think there would have to be at least the attempt to act on their crazy fantasies. Something that pushed it beyond running off at the mouth. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1221 "2023-08-17T16:18:14Z")
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