# DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455 "2022-11-23T20:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1322 "2023-08-28T16:19:32Z")
Due to federal court rules, reports are in clumps. Things even out once transcripts are available. The quotes that are coming out seems like the factor is public interest is the main concern for her rulings. There was mention that she is closely watching his public statements. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1323 "2023-08-28T16:22:43Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The documents case may be a slam dunk, but when you have a fangirl as judge then that puts that trial in doubt. Fan Girl already set a trial date for May, so she’s unlikely to move it up to conflict with the January 6th case. My bet is she’ll push the trial date out further as we approach May. Probably to, oh, February 2025. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1324 "2023-08-28T17:01:30Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > “Mr. Trump is not above the law, but neither is he below the law,” Trump lawyer Lauro said. Did his lawyer actually refer to him as Mr. Trump? If so this is a more serious matter to the defendant than the actual charges! ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1325 "2023-08-28T17:03:52Z")
Here’s a live blog from TPM with some good info. Start at the bottom and work your way up. [https://talkingpointsmemo.com/live-blog/judge-chutkan-expected-to-set-trial-date-in-trump-jan-6-case](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/live-blog/judge-chutkan-expected-to-set-trial-date-in-trump-jan-6-case) ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1326 "2023-08-28T17:09:06Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Did his lawyer actually refer to him as Mr. Trump? I don’t know. I heard it on CNN from a reporter or a panelist, so it’s hearsay. But whether or not he was referred to as “Mister Trump” doesn’t take away from the gist of the message that Lauro was arguing, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1327 "2023-08-28T17:09:13Z")
I expect Trump didn’t take kindly to his lawyer saying he wasn’t above the law either. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1328 "2023-08-28T17:11:46Z")
It’s given as a quote in this NBC article: > **[Federal judge sets Trump trial date in election interference case](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/federal-judge-set-trump-trial-date-election-interference-case-rcna101669)** > > The trial will begin in the middle of the Republican presidential primaries. Special counsel Jack Smith had requested a January trial, while Trump pushed for a 2026 start date. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1329 "2023-08-28T17:23:12Z")
I suspect there had already been instructions regarding appropriate honorifics. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1330 "2023-08-28T17:26:21Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Mr. Trump is not above the law, but neither is he below the law,” Trump lawyer Lauro said. Mr. Trump is law-adjacent. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1331 "2023-08-28T17:33:13Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > Mr. Trump is law-adjacent. Don’t know Mr. Law. He may have brought me a Diet Coke once. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1332 "2023-08-28T18:31:15Z")
On msnbc, kirshner said trump’s lawyer threw a bit of a tantrum at the end after the date was announced. The defence would not suggest another date when requested by the judge. Then got tantrumy, then when asked about the next date to meet, got sassy. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1333 "2023-08-28T18:45:43Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > The defence would not suggest another date when requested by the judge. Then got tantrumy, then when asked about the next date to meet, got sassy. Only the best people! ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1334 "2023-08-28T18:57:07Z")
I know! My thought was he found a lawyer just like him. From what kershner said I wondering if they will try for an inadequate defence thing. Someone should remember that this judge was a defence attorney and knows how’s how it is done. Jack smith was a few rows in front if kirshner and of course, very attentive. Here is the full schedule: Dec. 9: pretrial motions Dec. 4: 404b evidence Dec. 11: disclosure of expert witnesses Dec. 18: disclosure of exhibits Dec. 27: motions in limine Jan. 13: proposed voir dire questions/jury instructions ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1335 "2023-08-28T19:01:50Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > From what kershner said I wondering if they will try for an inadequate defence thing. _No one_ goes to trial with the intent of raising a defense of inadequate assistance of counsel. It exceptionally hard to prevail on appeal with that defense. and Nitpick, Motions in limine. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1336 "2023-08-28T19:05:00Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > _No one_ goes to trial with the intent of raising a defense of inadequate assistance of counsel. It exceptionally hard to prevail on appeal with that defense. What do you suppose is the rationale behind the “tantrums”? What benefit does the refusal to name a more reasonable date provide? Just not getting this. And I may be misremembering, but my recollection is that this was one of the competent Trump lawyers, not one of the clown car Trump lawyers. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1337 "2023-08-28T19:05:26Z")
These are trump lawyers. I would like to see the exact wording, but it struck me as very odd. I will blame auto correct for that. > **[chutkan trial sched.pdf](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tqkdZBphlNvqSju_q-yXvncOOLNN9xgO/view)** > > Google Drive file. Edit to say, saw it in the talking points memo linked above: After chutkan set the date, Lauro said he wanted it on record that the defence team objects to the schedule. “We will abide by your rules, but we will not be able to have an adequate defence “, he said. “Your objection is noted.” Chutkan said. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1338 "2023-08-28T19:18:29Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > What do you suppose is the rationale behind the “tantrums”? What benefit does the refusal to name a more reasonable date provide? Just not getting this. He wants to get paid. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1339 "2023-08-28T19:22:09Z")
Sidebar, please. What is “404b evidence”? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1340 "2023-08-28T19:24:14Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > What benefit does the refusal to name a more reasonable date provide? Caving on the date eliminates that as a ground of appeal, I would think. Plus, I’m just guessing, but I’m guessing that Individual 1 gave instructions that counsel was not to agree to an earlier date, and was to insist that the trial not start until Individual 1 was rightfully returned to office. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1341 "2023-08-28T19:34:59Z")
Federal Rule of Evidence 404(b): > **(1) _Prohibited Uses_.** Evidence of any other crime, wrong, or act is not admissible to prove a person’s character in order to show that on a particular occasion the person acted in accordance with the character. > **(2) _Permitted Uses_.** This evidence may be admissible for another purpose, such as proving motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, absence of mistake, or lack of accident. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=68)