# DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455 "2022-11-23T20:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1442 "2023-09-16T16:35:31Z")
Moderating: > [@slicedalone](#): > > This is a broadening-out of the topic at hand […] > [@slicedalone](#): > > Jenna Ellis is saying, in effect, “I got caught, and to defend myself I’m going to turn on Trump to save my ass” but she doesn’t denounce (doesn’t realize) the corrupt thinking that got her supporting Trump in the first place, and without that understanding, her "ought to be"s are meaningless. It sure is. Jenna Ellis isn’t even part of this lawsuit. Her involvement to date is solely related to the Georgia case, which has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. Please take this discussion elsewhere, as you have offered to do. Next time, just start the new thread. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![slicedalone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slicedalone/32/12515_2.png) [@slicedalone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slicedalone)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1443 "2023-09-16T17:03:28Z")
Okey, dokey. Will do. Sorry for the hijack ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1444 "2023-09-17T07:09:25Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Loser Donald responds to the request for a gag order by proving that one is needed. > > [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6Gb-WBWsAAifBU?format=webp&name=medium](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6Gb-WBWsAAifBU?format=webp&name=medium) Y’know, reading this kind of stuff in the middle of an _Archer_ binge-watch is really sort of entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1445 "2023-09-17T07:22:13Z")
> [@slicedalone](#): > > the fundamental rottenness at the core of conservative ideology, It’s _ **NOT** _ a _conservative_ ideology. It’s a radical reactionary ideology. ETA: The rest of that sentence is pretty much spot on. ---
**Author:** ![slicedalone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slicedalone/32/12515_2.png) [@slicedalone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slicedalone)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1446 "2023-09-17T10:22:23Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > It’s _ **NOT** _ a _conservative_ ideology. It’s a radical reactionary ideology. I’ve opened up a separate thread to discuss this hijack over [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-a-healthy-gop-even-possible-anymore/990243) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1447 "2023-09-17T20:32:49Z")
I have no idea where to post this. Trump wanted to overturn the 2020 election, so that would be Jan. 7th and beyond. The article mentions that Trump’s decision to attempt a coup is central to Jack Smith’s cases against him, so that’s this thread. Obviously, he attempted to coerce Georgia into flipping the election for min, so that’s _that_ thread. Anyway, I’m posting here. > **[Trump acknowledges he was told 2020 election lies were false in wide-ranging...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-decision-try-overturn-174422967.html/)** > > Former President Donald Trump said in an interview that he received counsel from numerous people shortly after the 2020 election but that it was his decision to push the false claim he won the election and try to overturn the results. > “It was my decision, but I listened to some people,” Trump told NBC’s “Meet the Press” in an interview that aired Sunday. … > > “You know who I listen to? Myself. I saw what happened,” Trump said. > > The former president said he didn’t listen to his attorneys who told him he lost the election because he didn’t respect them… ‘But I did respect others. I respected many others that said the election was rigged.’ You know what you call things you say on national television? Evidence. Thank the gods the man doesn’t know when to shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1448 "2023-09-17T20:34:52Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I have no idea where to post this. Thanks for thinking about it. It belongs in the Election Interference thread or the January 7th and Beyond thread, not this one. Trump’s claims about election interference have nothing to do with his withholding documents from the DOJ. In future, if you aren’t sure where to make a post, you can always ask for moderator guidance first. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1449 "2023-09-17T20:51:18Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > It belongs in the Election Interference thread There’s _another_ thread? Yeesh. I didn’t know about it. Will you move my post there (perhaps without the preamble)? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1450 "2023-09-17T20:53:00Z")
Yes, there are many threads (there are many crimes) and yes, I will move the post. However, I can’t edit it. I mean, I can, but it’s against our rules. Hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1451 "2023-09-17T20:53:26Z")
Thank you for moving it. Apparently I _did_ know about this thread, but I thought I was posting in the January 7th & Beyond thread all this time. Too many crimes, too many investigations… ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1452 "2023-09-17T21:51:01Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Too many crimes, too many investigations… Just think how the prosecutors feel. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1453 "2023-09-19T17:18:18Z")
[Ray Epps, a victim of Tucker Carlson’s Jan 6th theories, has been charged by the DOJ.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/ray-epps-subject-tucker-carlsons-jan-6-conspiracy-theories-charged-doj-rcna99836) He’s been claimed by Tucker and others to have been an FBI agent or plant on the day of the insurrection, stories which allegedly disrupted his life. If he gets a short sentence or something else that seems “suspicious”, I’m sure the screams of “Deep State” will be earsplitting. There is some suggestion that he might be working on a plea deal. They never have had a lead on the person who put down those pipe bombs on the day, have they? I’m not suggesting it was him, just curious. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1454 "2023-09-19T17:26:09Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Ray Epps, a victim of Tucker Carlson’s Jan 6th theories, has been charged by the DOJ. If you haven’t seen the [60 Minutes interview with Epps](https://www.cbsnews.com/video/ray-epps-jan-6-capitol-protest-60-minutes-video-2023-08-20/), you might want to check it out. I have no sympathy for the man, but he was trying to stop the idiots from rushing the police line and battering the cops. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1455 "2023-09-19T17:53:09Z")
Since he was charged with a single misdemeanor, the screams have already started. Spoiler……they are more convinced than ever that he’s a federal agent. The arrest proves it! ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1456 "2023-09-19T17:56:49Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > If he gets a short sentence or something else that seems “suspicious”, I’m sure the screams of “Deep State” will be earsplitting. It has already started. > ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1457 "2023-09-19T17:59:11Z")
Moderating: > [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > [Ray Epps, a victim of Tucker Carlson’s Jan 6th theories, has been charged by the DOJ.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/ray-epps-subject-tucker-carlsons-jan-6-conspiracy-theories-charged-doj-rcna99836) He’s been claimed by Tucker and others to have been an FBI agent or plant on the day of the insurrection, stories which allegedly disrupted his life. If he gets a short sentence or something else that seems “suspicious”, I’m sure the screams of “Deep State” will be earsplitting. There is some suggestion that he might be working on a plea deal. This is an understandable mix-up, but this post and those following warrant a separate thread. It’s not related to the Smith investigation into Trump except in the most tangential way. Since this is a narrow thread, let’s put any further discussion into the existing more general thread: > [@7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020): > > Since the [6 Jan 2021 thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1614) was closed at the request of the OP, I’ve been looking for a place to post about all the things that have been happening in the aftermath but only finding pieces scattered here and there, so I’m starting a thread to hopefully consolidate the events. The White House and cabinet resignations, the Hawley book deal that got canceled, the talks about the 25th amendment, the talks about impeachment, the fate of the rioters, the discussion of Trump’s suspensions from Facebo… Or start a new thread if you want more narrow discussion on this topic only. If you want a narrow thread, I’ll move these posts to it. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1458 "2023-09-19T18:07:01Z")
Thank you very much for the merging. I’d forgotten about the “pure” Jan 6th thread, and this would fit in there better, as you suggested. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1459 "2023-09-19T18:10:33Z")
To be clear, are you starting a new thread or do you just want these moved to the existing thread? I offered to move them to a new thread, not the existing one. The reason is because I don’t want to get the practice started that mods are constantly moving posts to different threads because posters didn’t take care to post in the right thread to begin with. We could spend all day every day doing that, and it’s not a good use of our time. For now, I’m already late for an appointment, so I must let it be until I get back late this afternoon. Another mod can handle it, though, if you decide to start a new thread. Just PM either @What_Exit or @raventhief or both. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1460 "2023-09-19T18:13:20Z")
Oh, of COURSE this happens to posts about … Ray Epps!! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1461 "2023-09-27T22:00:29Z")
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