# DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455 "2022-11-23T20:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 81
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1602 "2023-10-09T02:17:28Z")
Exactly. Impeachment means you lose your job and aren’t eligible for rehire, nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1603 "2023-10-16T16:33:12Z")
> **[Trump placed under limited gag order in federal election case in D.C.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/16/trump-court-hearing-judge-gag-order-jan-6/#link-FLVOOVNSVVGEPNJA5NHXGRIM54)** > > The decision by Judge Tanya S. Chutkan takes the country into uncharted territory with a criminal defendant who is also a leading 2024 presidential candidate. > Judge Tanya S. Chutkan is imposing a gag order on former president Donald Trump in advance of his election interference trial, as requested by special counsel Jack Smith… > She declined to restrict any comments disparaging the city of Washington, D.C., the Biden administration and the Justice Department as biased or politically motivated. But she is prohibiting all parties from statements “publicly targeting” the special counsel, his staff, her staff or “any other court personnel.” Statements about their families are “absolutely prohibited as well.” > > He “certainly can argue that this prosecution is politically motivated,” she said, but he cannot call the prosecutor “a thug” or “vilify and implicitly encourage violence against public servants who are simply doing their jobs.” > > She is also barring Trump and all parties from making statements about witnesses in the case. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1604 "2023-10-16T16:44:47Z")
> “He does not have the right to say and do exactly what he pleases. Do you agree with that?” she asked Trump attorney John Lauro, who responded: “100%.” This is _really_ going to piss off Trump. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1605 "2023-10-16T17:02:46Z")
About time! ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1606 "2023-10-16T17:17:21Z")
Welcome news! I’m glad it was a narrow order about vilifying and threatening the prosecution and witnesses and not a blanket order about speaking about the case. He admits to so much when he thinks he’s making a point about his innocence. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1607 "2023-10-16T17:19:51Z")
God damn. He’s headed for jail. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1608 "2023-10-16T17:26:27Z")
Also: > Triial date is unmoved, which is good since I had these nice invitations already printed: [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53263179923_f3a18f64a4_z.jpg "IMG\_20231016\_122630") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/53263179923/) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1609 "2023-10-16T17:56:46Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Welcome news! I’m glad it was a narrow order about vilifying and threatening the prosecution and witnesses and not a blanket order about speaking about the case Of course, Trump will spin it as a blanket order about speaking about the case. He’ll lie and lie and lie and lie about that. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1610 "2023-10-16T17:59:39Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Of course, Trump will spin it as a blanket order about speaking about the case. He’ll lie and lie and lie and lie about that. Breitbart is already doing that for him. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1611 "2023-10-16T18:02:52Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > About time! Ahh…but just precisely how much time? 🙂 It’s been over 60 minutes already since the judge imposed the gag order. And, yes. folks, believe it or not…Trump has not yet posted anything in all caps. Should we start a special betting pool, with everybody offering guesses as to how much longer it will be till Trump posts something that violates the order? Also-- (serious question) Even when Trump does post something threatening which the judge rules as a violation…is there any realistic punishment that Chulkan will give him? A fine (maybe a thousand dollars?) would be a joke, and jail time ain’t gonna happen. What other options are there? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1612 "2023-10-16T18:03:48Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > Should we start a special betting pool, with everybody offering guesses as to how much longer it will be till Trump posts something that violates the order? I’m pretty positive that is against the rules… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1613 "2023-10-16T18:04:41Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > A fine (maybe a thousand dollars?) would be a joke, and jail time ain’t gonna happen. What other options are there? I’m not sure why jail time wouldn’t happen. The judge has been very clear that Trump will be treated like any other defendant. The fact that it’d be unprecedented doesn’t matter: this whole dumpster fire is unprecedented. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1614 "2023-10-16T18:08:19Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I’m pretty positive that is against the rules… sorry, I forgot to add the [/sarcasm] tag ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1615 "2023-10-16T18:12:14Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > Even when Trump does post something threatening which the judge rules as a violation…is there any realistic punishment that Chulkan will give him? Well, she’s already told him that if she finds that he is tainting the jury pool with his antics that she might be forced to move the trial date up to minimize his inference… Picturing a teenager arguing with dad about punishment. - Grounded for 3 days. - You’re so unfair!! - How about we make it a week? -I hate you! -A month it is! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1616 "2023-10-16T20:36:37Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > A fine (maybe a thousand dollars?) would be a joke, and jail time ain’t gonna happen. Why not jail time? And Marcos jr was fined $353Million. Even trump cant fleece his sheeples _that_ much. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1617 "2023-10-16T20:51:02Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’m not sure why jail time wouldn’t happen. My WAG about Chutkan’s thought process. A: Trump is almost certainly going to lose this case. The evidence is overwhelming. B: It is of paramount importance that this trial happen before the election, because of the whole ‘fate of democracy’ thing. C: It’s patently obvious at this point that his court strategies are (1) delay through any means necessary and (2) appeal literally everything D: Letting Trump show his ass in the court of public opinion won’t actually prevent the trial from happening, but E: Doing something wildly unprecedented like ordering him to jail may be one of the few things that makes a higher court say, “well, sure, let’s grant an emergency stay and schedule a hearing.” So you err on the side of not inviting other judicial entities into your kitchen, keep the machinery of justice running, and try not to think too hard about stochastic terrorism. Though this is all predicated on an assumption I’m making: if Trump is sent to jail for contempt of court and successfully gets a stay on the order, would that bring the rest of the case to a halt or would everything else keep ticking along? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1618 "2023-10-16T21:38:38Z")
Trump’s already testing how hot the water is… > ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1619 "2023-10-16T21:47:01Z")
“And I said ‘Promise?’” > ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1620 "2023-10-16T21:52:58Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Though this is all predicated on an assumption I’m making: if Trump is sent to jail for contempt of court and successfully gets a stay on the order, would that bring the rest of the case to a halt or would everything else keep ticking along? I am no legal expert, but I see no reason why it would halt the rest of the case. It may not even be possible to appeal it immediately, depending on whether the finding was of criminal contempt or civil contempt. (I’m not up to untangling which would be in play for violating a gag order.) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1621 "2023-10-16T22:00:48Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > if Trump is sent to jail for contempt of court and successfully gets a stay on the order, would that bring the rest of the case to a halt or would everything else keep ticking along? Trump will appeal any order Chutkan makes in this instance. He has to, because if he doesn’t, he waives his right to appeal the issue at a later time. That will put the proceedings on hold until the appeals process is complete. However, the DC circuit isn’t going to take their time on this ruling – I would expect an answer within a couple weeks – and even the SCOTUS is turning Trump’s appeals around quite fast. This one may take a little longer, because what he’s actually seeking from the court is an order in uncharted waters for special status to say whatever irresponsible, evil thing he wants because he’s a candidate for president. That would open a big ol’ can of worms if SCOTUS were to grant such privilege. You’d have to extend that right to any other presidential candidate going forward. I don’t believe they will. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=80) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=82)