# DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455 "2022-11-23T20:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 90
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1782 "2023-10-31T02:48:46Z")
That particular fig leaf is gone. As I just posted in the Pence Independent thread, he has called his Republican run. > Former Vice President Mike Pence suspended his 2024 presidential campaign Saturday, with his campaign running low on money and the Republican Party moving in a different direction than the longtime Indiana conservative. > **[Former Vice President Mike Pence suspends his 2024 presidential bid](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/mike-pence-drops-2024-presidential-race-rcna122619)** > > The former vice president’s campaign never gained traction as he confronted a GOP that has moved beyond the Reagan-era conservatism he embodied. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1783 "2023-10-31T02:51:19Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > There will not be theatrical antics. Not in the _courtroom_, anyway. But there’s the rub, right? Trump has almost zero incentive to try this case _in court_. Trump wants to try this case in the media where his MAGATs can decide that he was justified and correct. His defense literally boils down to “Reelect me and I’ll pardon myself”. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1784 "2023-10-31T03:19:43Z")
There’s no question Trump will try his case in the court of public opinion as much as he is able. In the end, it will depend on just how taken in American voters are by his BS, and that of the entire Republican party, Fox, Newsmax, OAN, Steve Bannon and whatever other illiberal forces are arrayed against democracy. The MAGAs are already all in for Trump and nothing will ever change that. My hope is that independents are still persuadable and Democrats aren’t so stupid and fickle that they actually believe November 2024 will be much like any other election where we can fuck around. Meantime, all we can do is adhere to the rule of law this country purports to be built on and let this court proceeding – along with all the others – play out as they do all over the USA every day. And hope it helps people understand what is truly at stake. I’ll admit I’m disheartened by what I see. But that’s a discussion for another thread. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1785 "2023-10-31T06:17:36Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Trump won’t be arguing anything at all. His lawyers will question Pence. They will be constrained by the rules of evidence. That means they have to stay within the bounds of what they can prove, not what they want to speculate about. His lawyers would be able to ask Pence on the witness stand: “Isn’t it true that you would benefit politically from Trump being out of the Presidential race, and therefore you have an incentive to implicate him in crimes?” ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1786 "2023-10-31T11:55:12Z")
Pence has dropped out of the Presidential race. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1787 "2023-10-31T11:56:28Z")
Yeah, that’s what most of the last 15 posts have been about. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1788 "2023-10-31T12:02:10Z")
I was responding to CurtC’s post. My point was that Pence **wouldn’t** benefit politically from removing Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1789 "2023-10-31T15:53:57Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > His lawyers would be able to ask Pence on the witness stand: “Isn’t it true that you would benefit politically from Trump being out of the Presidential race, and therefore you have an incentive to implicate him in crimes?” Sure. Once. In the total scope of available evidence in this case, do you expect this one insinuation to sway a jury? I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1790 "2023-10-31T17:15:35Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Sure. Once. In the total scope of available evidence in this case, do you expect this one insinuation to sway a jury? I don’t. You can even build a house of cards with jokers, if that’s all you have to hand. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1791 "2023-10-31T17:17:02Z")
Not in any trial I ever sat through. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1792 "2023-11-03T15:57:25Z")
jury selection is slated to start on feb. 9th. team trump is trying various delays and appeals. judge chutkan is moving forward with the plan to start the trial in march. [c817e8f5-624d-4afe-9619-e0b2af1a584e.pdf (washingtonpost.com)](https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/c817e8f5-624d-4afe-9619-e0b2af1a584e.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_13) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1793 "2023-11-03T17:40:05Z")
[A Trump appointee to the State Department has been sentenced to 5 years for his actions on Jan 6th.](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-state-department-appointee-sentenced-6-years-role/story?id=104604054) His lawyer is Stanley Woodward, who has defended other MAGA defendants. [Meet the legal nerd who MAGA bigwigs are turning to for help - POLITICO](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/30/legal-nerd-maga-bigwigs-stanley-woodward-00071385) ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1794 "2023-11-03T22:14:27Z")
And the gag order has been lifted while being appealed. Hearing on the 20th. Per msnbc. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1795 "2023-11-05T19:26:48Z")
Oh. My. Grid! That radical lunatic is making us READ!!! > **[Trump’s legal team complains Jack Smith’s filings are too long](https://news.yahoo.com/trump-legal-team-complains-special-162908517.html)** > > Donald Trump’s legal team has filed several motions to dismiss the federal case against him in Washington DC > [@](#): > > Donald Trump’s legal team is requesting special counsel Jack Smith keep it brief when submitting filings to a federal judge in the government’s 2020 election subversion and January 6 case. > > In a two-page filing sent to Judge Tanya Chutkan on Saturday, Mr Trump’s defence team asked that the judge prohibit Mr Smith’s prosecution team from exceeding the 45-page limit in an “oversized” filing that responds to Mr Trump’s attempt to have the case thrown out. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1796 "2023-11-05T19:34:20Z")
I think a suitable response would be to point out that these filings were only necessary because Trump’s plea at arraignment contained twice as many words as it should have. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1797 "2023-11-05T20:07:44Z")
Nice one! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1798 "2023-11-08T21:01:12Z")
> **[Judge orders Trump to say if he will use 'advice-of-counsel defense'](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-advice-of-counsel-2666188470/)** > > U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan on Wednesday ruled that former President Donald Trump must say if he will use his attorneys' advice as a defense in his upcoming election subversion trial.In her 3-page order, Chutkan noted that Trump would... Is this particularly significant beyond cutting off an avenue of delay and equivocation? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1799 "2023-11-08T21:11:31Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Is this particularly significant beyond cutting off an avenue of delay and equivocation? She’s calling his bluff. If he wants to use that defense, he has to waive attorney client privilege and hand over documents. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1800 "2023-11-08T21:12:53Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > She’s calling his bluff. If he wants to use that defense, he has to waive attorney client privilege and hand over documents. Nice!! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455/1801 "2023-11-08T21:13:45Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > If he wants to use that defense, he has to waive attorney client privilege Ah ha, that’s great. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=89) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-jack-smith-investigation-into-trump-and-election-interference-january-6th-insurrection-re-indicted-august-27-2024/975455.md?page=91)