# DoJ sues Sheriff Arpaio for civil-rights abuses; anyone care to take Arpaio's side here? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 12, 2012, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726 "2012-05-12T20:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![zpepelepu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d26b3c/32.png) [@zpepelepu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zpepelepu)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/41 "2012-05-13T22:44:36Z")
No need for racism here. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/42 "2012-05-13T22:49:11Z")
> [@zpepelepu](#): > > No need for racism here. Nor in Maricopa County, Arizona. Nevertheless . . . ---
**Author:** ![zpepelepu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d26b3c/32.png) [@zpepelepu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zpepelepu)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/43 "2012-05-13T22:52:05Z")
nor stereotypes. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/44 "2012-05-13T22:52:19Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > No doubt. But, racial conciousness in America is **different.** At least, it is ever since [the Irish became white.](http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White-Noel-Ignatiev/dp/0415918251) And, yet, a still-older attitude does seem to hang on in enclaves, here and there. From [_The Good Shepherd:_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Shepherd_(film)) Joseph Palmi [Joe Pesci]: Let me ask you something… we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have? Edward Wilson [Matt Damon]: The United States of America. It’s ours. The rest of you are just visiting. ---
**Author:** ![zpepelepu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d26b3c/32.png) [@zpepelepu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zpepelepu)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/45 "2012-05-13T22:54:25Z")
Need I say more? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/46 "2012-05-13T22:55:55Z")
> [@zpepelepu](#): > > Need I say more? You need say considerably more. “Hollywood” is no argument. ---
**Author:** ![zpepelepu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d26b3c/32.png) [@zpepelepu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zpepelepu)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/47 "2012-05-13T22:59:31Z")
don’t need no stinkin’ badges. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/48 "2012-05-13T23:10:08Z")
> [@zpepelepu](#): > > don’t need no stinkin’ badges. If you had one, would you be working for Arpaio? ---
**Author:** ![zpepelepu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d26b3c/32.png) [@zpepelepu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zpepelepu)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/49 "2012-05-13T23:13:48Z")
Seguramente que si. Es que, con este mundo tan rechulado, se tiene que buscar el trabajo mas digno, no? Mucho gusto conocerte, PPP. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/50 "2012-05-13T23:18:42Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Sheriff Arpaio may not be a likeable guy. > But he has done nothing but enforce the “Secure Communities” Program ([Latino News | Fox News](http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/05/11/massachusetts-activists-hold-protests-against-controversial-secure-communities/))- > that Congress and Obama authorized. > Exactly how is he breaking any laws? Illegal aliens are that-illegal, and are subject to deportation. Moreover, what about the rights of American citizens? > You can criticize Arpaio for many things, but he is enforcing the law as it is written. > And, BTW, AG Eric Holder still hasn’t admitted his role in “Operation Fast and Furious”-in which 2000 odd automatic weapons were given to Mexican criminals-these guns were later used in many murders, including one of a US Border Patrol officer. > Holder “can’t remember”..so I guess its OK. Excuse me, but I pointed out a specific allegation of how his deputies’ actions broke the law. How, in the face of that, do you ask how he’s breaking laws? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/51 "2012-05-13T23:25:56Z")
> [@zpepelepu](#): > > Seguramente que si. Es que, con este mundo tan rechulado, se tiene que buscar el trabajo mas digno, no? > Mucho gusto conocerte, PPP. Babelfish translates that as: “Surely that if. It is that, with this so rechulado world, must look for the worthy work but, no? Much taste conocerte, PPP.” Hard to dispute. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/52 "2012-05-14T02:54:05Z")
Google stumbles on «rechular», but comes up with the otherwise more nearly accurate “Surely so. Is that with this world so _rechulado_, you have to look for work more worthy, no? Nice to meet you, PPP” ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/53 "2012-05-14T02:58:09Z")
That said, pepe, this is an English language board and aside from very well known foreign phrases, posters are expected to post in English. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/54 "2012-05-14T03:00:29Z")
Let me help, rechulado comes from “chulo” that means pretty, the “re” is a prefix that means “over” or “double” so in essence, “very beautiful” And no, **zpepelepu** , I live in Arizona and I’m Hispanic, what you are saying is really silly, working for Arpaio would only be commendable among people that disregard the law just to pander to the prejudice of others for political gain. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/55 "2012-05-14T03:20:51Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Yes. and the people he serves think he is an asset, as well. The “people” he serves thinking he is an asset does not tell you much by itself. I am willing to bet some good-ole boy sheriffs who harassed black people were deemed an “asset” by the people they served and were consistently re-elected. Arpaio seems to be squarely among this group. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/56 "2012-05-14T06:30:58Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **magellan01** : > > Also, much of involves the issue of “profiling” and the degree to which it might make sense and be legal. And, OMG, the officers used discretion. I’d say that if Scandinavians were being included in some of these actions as much as those of Hispanic descent, that would be mind-blowing dumb and the people should be fired for sheer stupidity and incompetence. Certainly, under the law as written, it would be stupid to give Scandinavians the same scrutiny as Hispanics. In fact, the law as written requires that Scandinavians be given much _more_ scrutiny: It requires extra scrutiny for people who look like they might be immigrants, and none of the native peoples of Arizona look remotely like Scandinavians, but they do look rather like most Hispanics. Therefore, the law as written requires the extra scrutiny of Scandinavians but not of Hispanics. Of course, the law as written is racist, and it just points to the idiocy of the people who drafted it that it’s not racist in the same way that they intended. But that’s an argument for repealing it. ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/57 "2012-05-14T09:59:36Z")
When English football fans go abroad en mass for international fixtures they are always targeted by the local LEAs. Police in riot gear, mounted officers etc. and they’re often coralled to and from the match. No doubt many of them are perfectly law abiding citizens, and have never commited an act of violence in their lives. So is this racist/countryist them being singled out for special treatment ? Shouldn’t American and Japanese tourists receive the same treatment ? I mean its only fair. Lets face it, you don’t pull over African Americans, Australians or Koreans, when you’re looking for illegal immigrants, or members of Mexican Drug Cartels; not too far away from the Mexican border. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/58 "2012-05-14T10:24:19Z")
> [@Lust4Life](#): > > Lets face it, you don’t pull over African Americans, Australians or Koreans, when you’re looking for illegal immigrants, or members of Mexican Drug Cartels; not too far away from the Mexican border. Except that’s the very kind of profiling that police had been used to do for _hundreds of years_ prior to laws banning the practice finally getting put in the books. Do you know why those laws were put in the books ? Because racial profiling leads to shoddy policing and untold amounts of harassment, abuse and ghettoization under the guise of good ol’ common sense. Do you really want to go back to “Somebody’s been murdered, let’s find the nigger who did it !” ? Society has ruled that making police work very marginally harder, or at least demanding that law enforcement agencies make the effort to project a veneer of fairness, was worth more than inciting race riots. For some reason. And on the flip side, if you treat every member of a given ethnicity or culture like criminals who don’t deserve certain rights or respect and should “take one for the team” as it were, well then why _shouldn’t_ they become criminals, or think of cops (or worse, whites) as The Enemy ? What have they got to lose ? ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/59 "2012-05-14T11:25:56Z")
In the U.K. the police are regulated so as to record everyone that they pull over in the street for randoming questioning, and they have to ensure that the same number of ethnicities are questioned as well to ensure no racial bias. So we had the ridiculous situation that when the I.R.A. were committing atrocities in London, the police had to waste valuable time and money questioning Asians, West Indians etc. to make sure that the quotas were similar in number. The I.R.A. and their supporters loved it, funnily enough the non Irish ethnicities didn’t. If you’re going after Yardies then you don’t pull over Chinese people, if you’re going after White Supremicists then you don’t pull over Pakistanis. Thats not being racist, thats being realist. And to suggest that you do otherwise in the interest of "fairness is nonsensical. Its not unknown for people who have a vested interest in abolishing this sort of targeting, to use the “Human Rights”, we’re campaigning out of our deep rooted liberal humanist views etc facade as a pretext to stop the actions that are disrupting their activities. when the fact is they are themselves illegal immigrants or petty criminals, or have friends and or family who are so. To say that profiling is going to result in a restoration of lynch law, etc in this day and age is absurd. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/60 "2012-05-14T11:38:09Z")
> [@Lust4Life](#): > > In the U.K. the police are regulated so as to record everyone that they pull over in the street for randoming questioning, and they have to ensure that the same number of ethnicities are questioned as well to ensure no racial bias. > > So we had the ridiculous situation that when the I.R.A. were committing atrocities in London, the police had to waste valuable time and money questioning Asians, West Indians etc. to make sure that the quotas were similar in number. > > The I.R.A. and their supporters loved it, funnily enough the non Irish ethnicities didn’t. > > If you’re going after Yardies then you don’t pull over Chinese people, if you’re going after White Supremicists then you don’t pull over Pakistanis. > > Thats not being racist, thats being realist. > > And to suggest that you do otherwise in the interest of "fairness is nonsensical. > > Its not unknown for people who have a vested interest in abolishing this sort of targeting, to use the “Human Rights”, we’re campaigning out of our deep rooted liberal humanist views etc facade as a pretext to stop the actions that are disrupting their activities. when the fact is they are themselves illegal immigrants or petty criminals, or have friends and or family who are so. > > To say that profiling is going to result in a restoration of lynch law, etc in this day and age is absurd. Let’s see first you post about how you feel people should be harassed for an immutable charteristic, straw man human rights, and then post a bigoted thing about Hispanics. Reported for hate speech. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726.md?page=4)