# DoJ sues Sheriff Arpaio for civil-rights abuses; anyone care to take Arpaio's side here? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 12, 2012, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726 "2012-05-12T20:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/121 "2012-05-14T23:26:37Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > What would common sense tell you when looking for terrorists at an Israeli airport? That there are too many Arabs or Arabic-looking Jews there to profile. > [@gamerunknown](#): > > What occurred on 30th of May 1972? And then there’s [that](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lod_Airport_massacre) . . . ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/122 "2012-05-14T23:31:56Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You’re perfectly free to argue that such tactics mnake sense. > > However, the question here seems to be: are such tactics _legal_? Not at all. This thread is open for defense (and attack) of Arpaio’s (alleged) actions on **any** terms, legal, political, moral or social. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/123 "2012-05-14T23:37:19Z")
> [@dngnb8](#): > > Is bigotry his motive? It wouldnt surprise me, but it isnt a stretch to say that the greater majority of our illegals are probably Hispanic. That isnt racism, that is statistics. [25.8% of Arizonans are of Mexican ancestry.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Arizona) That is also statistics. Any brown face you see there is more likely than not a native-born citizen’s. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/124 "2012-05-14T23:40:52Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office is the perfect example of everything wrong with law enforcement in the US. The idea of “shoot first, ask questions later,” and “everyone is a potential criminal” and the entire “us vs them” attitude that’s become so pervasive in LE . . . Sorry, “LE”? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/125 "2012-05-15T00:28:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Not at all. This thread is open for defense (and attack) of Arpaio’s (alleged) actions on **any** terms, legal, political, moral or social. Fair enough – take it away. My attack on Arapio is based on the illegal actions alleged. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/126 "2012-05-15T00:33:43Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Post #98. Huh? You quoted the woman and the car things as: > [@Terr](#): > > I mean: “When she arrived home, **they insisted that she stay in the car** … After **she tried to enter her home** , officers took her to the ground, kneed her in the back and handcuffed her.” I quoted what I _think_ you are referencing as: > [@](#): > > The lawsuit recounts how a Latina woman who was five-months pregnant and a U.S. citizen was stopped as she pulled into the driveway. “After she exited her car, the officer then insisted that she sit on the hood of the car. When she refused, the officer grabbed her arms, puled them behind her back, and slammed her, stomach first, into the vehicle three times. He then dragged her to the patrol car and shoved her into the backseat,” reads the complaint. > > SOURCE: [Joe Arpaio Lawsuit: Justice Department Complaint Reveals Disturbing Allegations | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/10/justice-department-joe-arpaio-lawsuit_n_1507098.html?ref=politics) See the difference? I am asking for the cite to your quote. Mine is cited. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/127 "2012-05-15T00:37:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Sorry, “LE”? Lawful Evil. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/128 "2012-05-15T01:00:58Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Huh? > > You quoted the woman and the car things as: > I quoted what I _think_ you are referencing as: > See the difference? > > I am asking for the cite to your quote. Mine is cited. The cite is the same as yours. Do an in-page search. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/129 "2012-05-15T01:26:37Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > The cite is the same as yours. Do an in-page search. Ah…I see. I saw the first one and its similarity made me think that was the same one and you had a different source. My bad… I will note in your case the charges against her were dismissed so apparently the court didn’t think she had committed a crime. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/130 "2012-05-15T01:34:08Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Ah…I see. I saw the first one and its similarity made me think that was the same one and you had a different source. My bad… > > I will note in your case the charges against her were dismissed so apparently the court didn’t think she had committed a crime. Of course not. But disobeying a traffic cop’s request to stay in your car during a stop will get you cuffed and detained. Has nothing to do with her being a “Latina”. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/131 "2012-05-15T02:08:04Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Of course not. But disobeying a traffic cop’s request to stay in your car during a stop will get you cuffed and detained. Has nothing to do with her being a “Latina”. Are you sure? The issue here then seems to me to be: 1. What is the racial breakdown of people pulled over for burnt out license plate lights? It should be roughly equivalent to the racial makeup of the population they serve (unless you want to suggest white people don’t have burnt out license plate lights). 2. When someone disobeys an officer for such a trivial infraction and in a trivial way (i.e. license plate light and not a murder suspect and not staying in the car when told to) do they tackle everyone and knee them in the back and handcuff them? Or are they particularly rough with Latinos? I do not know the answer to that but the government is alleging a pattern of bias here so I suspect the Latinos are getting rougher treatment at the hands of the police, on a regular and ongoing basis, than white people are. I am certain where I grew up if my mom (white woman) did the same she would not have been tackled, kneed in the back and handcuffed. Sure they may well still have arrested her but not resorted to this level of force for a burnt out plate light and refusing to stay in the car. ---
**Author:** ![zpepelepu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d26b3c/32.png) [@zpepelepu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zpepelepu)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/132 "2012-05-15T02:17:22Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Babelfish translates that as: > > “Surely that if. It is that, with this so rechulado world, must look for the worthy work but, no? Much taste conocerte, PPP.” > > Hard to dispute. It is that kind of debilidad that shows your weakness–I don’t need and would never rely on Babelfish like you. Obviously, fluency isn’t your strength. Yo solo estudie el castellano avanzado en Purdue University, nada mas. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/133 "2012-05-15T02:39:30Z")
> [@zpepelepu](#): > > It is that kind of debilidad that shows your weakness–I don’t need and would never rely on Babelfish like you. Obviously, fluency isn’t your strength. Yo solo estudie el castellano avanzado en Purdue University, nada mas. Obviously, following rules is not your strength. [You have already been told](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15061297#post15061297) that you are to post in English, here. If you continue to ignore Moderator instructions, you will not be posting here much longer, regardless how “advanced” your foreign language classes might have been. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/134 "2012-05-15T03:17:56Z")
> [@zpepelepu](#): > > Yo solo estudie el castellano avanzado en Purdue University, nada mas. And I only studied intro Spanish at a community college. No nos divertiste (for my fellow anglophones what I’m telling him means “you did not amuse us”) ---
**Author:** ![florez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9e5f3/32.png) [@florez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/florez)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/135 "2012-05-15T03:25:09Z")
> [@zpepelepu](#): > > Arpaio attempts to uphold/enforce the law. > . Whatever Spanish you learned, empathy with the Spanish speaking people is not your strength. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/136 "2012-05-15T03:30:58Z")
> [@zpepelepu](#): > > It is that kind of debilidad that shows your weakness–I don’t need and would never rely on Babelfish like you. Obviously, fluency isn’t your strength. Yo solo estudie el castellano avanzado en Purdue University, nada mas. Who the hell is this guy? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/137 "2012-05-15T03:34:15Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Are you sure? > > The issue here then seems to me to be: > > 1. What is the racial breakdown of people pulled over for burnt out license plate lights? It should be roughly equivalent to the racial makeup of the population they serve (unless you want to suggest white people don’t have burnt out license plate lights). > > 2. When someone disobeys an officer for such a trivial infraction and in a trivial way (i.e. license plate light and not a murder suspect and not staying in the car when told to) do they tackle everyone and knee them in the back and handcuff them? Or are they particularly rough with Latinos? > > I do not know the answer to that but the government is alleging a pattern of bias here so I suspect the Latinos are getting rougher treatment at the hands of the police, on a regular and ongoing basis, than white people are. > > I am certain where I grew up if my mom (white woman) did the same she would not have been tackled, kneed in the back and handcuffed. Sure they may well still have arrested her but not resorted to this level of force for a burnt out plate light and refusing to stay in the car. Nail on the effen head. You do not man handle a pregnant woman like that without very good cause. abdominal trauma be can very dangerous to the fetus. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/138 "2012-05-15T03:42:28Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Who the hell is this guy? One you should enjoy quickly before he’s gone, is my guess. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/139 "2012-05-15T03:59:41Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Nail on the effen head. You do not man handle a pregnant woman like that without very good cause. abdominal trauma be can very dangerous to the fetus. Since there was no pregnant woman involved in the case he was referring to, I’d say you missed the “effen head” of the nail by about a mile. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726/140 "2012-05-15T04:15:00Z")
> [@Lust4Life](#): > > In the U.K. the police are regulated so as to record everyone that they pull over in the street for randoming questioning, and they have to ensure that the same number of ethnicities are questioned as well to ensure no racial bias. > > So we had the ridiculous situation that when the I.R.A. were committing atrocities in London, the police had to waste valuable time and money questioning Asians, West Indians etc. to make sure that the quotas were similar in number. Cite for it being UK police regulations that they “have to ensure that the same number of ethnicities are questioned as well to ensure no racial bias”? Cite for “the police had to waste valuable time and money questioning Asians, West Indians etc. to make sure that the quotas were similar in number” regarding IRA violence in London? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doj-sues-sheriff-arpaio-for-civil-rights-abuses-anyone-care-to-take-arpaios-side-here/621726.md?page=8)