# Dollhouse 10/2 Belle Chose **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 10, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264 "2009-10-10T01:49:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/1 "2009-10-10T01:49:03Z")
Well, I have to say that I entered this unspoiled and I did not see _that_ coming! This episode just go way more interesting. I love the guy who plays Victor! ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/2 "2009-10-10T02:24:13Z")
Yeah, Enver Ghokaj is great. Can’t get enough of him. So, remote wipes, not a good idea, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/3 "2009-10-10T04:33:05Z")
Pretty good episode. Victor in the bar was hilarious. Enver Ghokaj is the best actor on the show. So, how long until Adele and Paul are doing the horizontal mambo? ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/4 "2009-10-10T05:59:22Z")
I’m several weeks behind on my Dollhouse viewing (they’re all waiting on the TiVo), but I just wanted to say that putting a Chaucer reference in the episode title is hilarious and fitting, considering the nature of the show. Did they refer to it in any way in the episode? ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/5 "2009-10-10T06:39:15Z")
Much better episode than the first two. Ghokaj acted circles around Dushku, but Dushku wasn’t too bad in this episode. It looks like the doll Echo is slowly turning into a person of her own. She’s like a baby growing up, except that she doesn’t get to develop her personality from memories of growing up from birth to adulthood. Instead, her personality is being shaped by memories of past engagements. She knew that the serial killer was evil and had to be stopped, but then she didn’t think much about dying herself. Is that because she has no sense of identity yet? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/6 "2009-10-10T06:52:47Z")
Saul! (or, at least the actor who played Saul in BSG.) > [@Lakai](#): > > She knew that the serial killer was evil and had to be stopped, but then she didn’t think much about dying herself. Is that because she has no sense of identity yet? Hard to tell. Echo has some identity, and Dolls (like Whiskey/Saunders) can have a will to survive. But I don’t think Echo has a sense of her own mortality, just as a child does not. I thought the layering of the dolls of EvilTerry vs the dolls of GoodAdele was a little heavy handed, but it was an interesting episode. I’m surprised Tohper didn’t make a greater study of the remote wipe when Alpha proved it could be done in …the robbery episode last season. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/7 "2009-10-10T10:20:10Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > I just wanted to say that putting a Chaucer reference in the episode title is hilarious and fitting, considering the nature of the show. Did they refer to it in any way in the episode? Early and often. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/8 "2009-10-10T13:30:40Z")
Explain the Chaucer reference in the title, please? And yes, the episode featured Echo as a ditzy Chaucer student, learning about a character from the Canterbury Tales. I believe the character was the multi-married lady? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/9 "2009-10-10T13:37:35Z")
> [@Daddypants](#): > > Pretty good episode. Victor in the bar was hilarious. Enver Ghokaj is the best actor on the show. I also snickered over the scene involving the new character of the ‘costumer’, and Paul and the other handler waiting, bored, for their respective dolls to get dressed up. “I don’t even do this for my wife.” Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/10 "2009-10-10T13:37:52Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Explain the Chaucer reference in the title, please? > > And yes, the episode featured Echo as a ditzy Chaucer student, learning about a character from the Canterbury Tales. I believe the character was the multi-married lady? a belle chose: Chaucer’s term for the vagina ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/11 "2009-10-10T14:45:01Z")
In French, “belle chose” means literally “pretty thing”. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/12 "2009-10-10T21:49:45Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Ghokaj acted circles around Dushku, but Dushku wasn’t too bad in this episode. Victor was spot on as Kiki. Echo… not so much as psycho guy. Reminds me of the bodyswap eps of Buffy. Sarah Michelle Gellar was spot on as Faith, but ED wasn’t quite as convincing as Buffy. Dushku as Kiki was great, though, especially all the stuff when she was first talking about Chauncy and the Scarlet F with the prof. This episode was interesting. Psycho guy was pretty much not doing anything that the Dollhouse doesn’t do, when you think about it. Well, other than the kidnappings and croquet mallet to the head, I mean. But making people into his dolls to play out his fantasies. He’s not much worse than they are. Which I think was kinda the point. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/13 "2009-10-10T22:10:05Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > “I don’t even do this for my wife.” Heh. Yeah. Still, I thought that line was very important. He’s the first employee to acknowledge he has a life and relationships outside of the Dollhouse. Unless he’s a married to fellow employee, I suppose. We’ve seen a few female handlers and support staff. [QUOTE=Mahaloth] And yes, the episode featured Echo as a ditzy Chaucer student, learning about a character from the Canterbury Tales. I believe the character was the multi-married lady? [/QUOTE] Yes, the well-traveled Allison, the Wife of Bath, who wore scarlet stockings and had five husbands, the last one much younger than herself, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/14 "2009-10-10T23:26:13Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Victor was spot on as Kiki. Echo… not so much as psycho guy. I think Victor was a better Kiki than Echo was. I wish that somehow Eliza Dushku could get signed on to some other show, and we could just get Victor and Sierra as the main dolls. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolas\_Bourbaki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecc23a/32.png) [@Nicolas\_Bourbaki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nicolas_Bourbaki)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/15 "2009-10-10T23:42:08Z")
Is it just me or did this guy make a cameo in season 1 somewhere? I distinctly remember a scene, disjoint from the main plot, of that guy with some paralyzed women, but I could be misremembering a preview clip. Also, noticed something that was mentioned in last weeks thread; another dig at people who don’t breastfeed. Give your kids a bottle, and they’ll grow up to murder women with a croquet mallet. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/16 "2009-10-11T00:53:01Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I think Victor was a better Kiki than Echo was. I wish that somehow Eliza Dushku could get signed on to some other show, and we could just get Victor and Sierra as the main dolls. He was great, but I just could not believe it. How is it Kiki never looked down and thought, “why am I wearing these ugly shoes?”. The guy who played Terry was Joe Sikora, but his imdb listing doesn’t show a previous Dollhouse. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/17 "2009-10-11T04:26:52Z")
First episode only got good towards the end and previous episode was fairly tame, but this episode was back to the goodness. Loved all the body switching, especially as acted by Enver, and all the unsubtle metaphors with Chaucer and the serial kidnapper’s doll girls. Didn’t like: 1. Although I was fine with the idea of the evil guy getting downloaded to Echo by accident, the time they chose to do so was a big fat cheat. You can’t only show the dolls being romantic with good looking people, and then when they have a putzy looking client suddenly pull them out before they can do the deed. It make the show like Melrose Place where the prostitute’s clients all are male supermodels. 2. OK so the GPS was taken out of Victor, but his vitals are still showing up? If the vitals are still transmitting than you can track his signal. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/18 "2009-10-11T05:28:46Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > 1. Although I was fine with the idea of the evil guy getting downloaded to Echo by accident, the time they chose to do so was a big fat cheat. You can’t only show the dolls being romantic with good looking people, and then when they have a putzy looking client suddenly pull them out before they can do the deed. It make the show like Melrose Place where the prostitute’s clients all are male supermodels. Echo did the deed last season with Pat Oswalt. So the show is pretty fair on this count. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/19 "2009-10-11T05:50:05Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > 1. OK so the GPS was taken out of Victor, but his vitals are still showing up? If the vitals are still transmitting than you can track his signal. I’m thinking not without triangulation. But why wouldn’t the GPS be part of the whole implant? ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264/20 "2009-10-11T06:21:48Z")
Did Ballard kill Terry in the end? Echo said “I think he dreams” and Paul said “Not any more.” The monitor appeared to have a flat line. Did Paul off the guy to make sure he doesn’t get awakened at Mercy? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-2-belle-chose/513264.md?page=2)