# Dollhouse 10/23 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 24, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940 "2009-10-24T05:12:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kasuo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8c91f0/32.png) [@kasuo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kasuo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/41 "2009-10-26T19:30:08Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Am I the only one that wishes they’d make DeWitt pretty again? Her new hairstyle is terrible. I concur. Also I want to see her talk about eating crisps. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/42 "2009-10-26T21:37:08Z")
> [@Kaio](#): > > Topher put her original personality back and (attempted to) let her go, rather than carrying out orders that she be sent to Nolan as essentially a sex slave. (He explained at least part of the whole situation to her, they said as much.) > > Boyd came in and helped them “clean up” a very messy situation. > > Both of them did these things of their own initiative. Topher especially was potentially facing some pretty severe consequences, as sooner or later Nolan would have been calling up asking where Sierra was; but he did it anyway. > > Even if she doesn’t trust anyone else in the Dollhouse, I think those two managed to earn at least a little of her trust. Where else could she go? The cover story is that the doucheback left the country with her. Still, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, that is just Whedon’s rationale. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/43 "2009-10-26T21:42:07Z")
The main reason she stayed was Victor. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/44 "2009-10-26T22:05:37Z")
Something that hasn’t been pointed out yet is that probably _Victor_ got entered in the Dollhouse against his will, too. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/45 "2009-10-26T22:07:42Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Something that hasn’t been pointed out yet is that probably _Victor_ got entered in the Dollhouse against his will, too. What makes you think so? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/46 "2009-10-26T22:22:08Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > I question the wisdom of dissolving a body into acid. That just leaves you with a very nasty human acid soup, that’s not easy to get rid of. And that bathroom better be bloody well ventilated. Topher should have worn a respirator. Yes, and then there’s the part where the acid dissolves the pipes. ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/47 "2009-10-27T00:46:36Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > What makes you think so? I’d not thought of it, but it would kind of make sense. When he had that combat flashback and just keeled over, it was pretty much how tv shows always portray PTSD. If he had it really bad, I could see him winding up in an institution somewhere like Pria did and winding up as an involuntary Doll in the same way. It’s an interesting suggestion, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/48 "2009-10-27T01:01:41Z")
> [@CrazyCatLady](#): > > I’d not thought of it, but it would kind of make sense. When he had that combat flashback and just keeled over, it was pretty much how tv shows always portray PTSD. If he had it really bad, I could see him winding up in an institution somewhere like Pria did and winding up as an involuntary Doll in the same way. It’s an interesting suggestion, anyway. It is. Though I think I saw Sierra/Priya’s face during his flashback. Did I imagine that? I guess I was assuming it was a flashback to an engagement. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/49 "2009-10-27T01:51:58Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > “Add the acid to the base, if you want to save your face.” “Do what you oughta, add acid to water.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/50 "2009-10-27T01:55:55Z")
> [@Pigs\_in\_Space](#): > > That’s what I mean by unprepared. The likeliest endings for the scenario he set up involved a dead body, one way or another. Boyd figured that out immediately. It seems like Topher’s been sheltered from the consequences of his actions for too long, or he’s just such an academic he doesn’t think that things might not go exactly how he plans them. Well, we know that in ten years, Topher will have gotten a really good lesson about consequences. Unfortunately, so wll the rest of the world. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/51 "2009-10-27T04:16:46Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Am I the only one that wishes they’d make DeWitt pretty again? Her new hairstyle is terrible. Blasphemy! DeWitt is stunning, long hair, short hair, or stark freaking bald. (And good Ford, I could listen to her read the phone book.) ---
**Author:** ![Pigs\_in\_Space](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9d8465/32.png) [@Pigs\_in\_Space](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pigs_in_Space)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/52 "2009-10-27T04:28:39Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Well, we know that in ten years, Topher will have gotten a really good lesson about consequences. > > Unfortunately, so wll the rest of the world. Well, yeah. Am I the only one whose heart broke at (spoilers for Epitaph One) Why didn’t I think of that? Did I think of that? Dewitt is starting on her lesson too. ---
**Author:** ![Windwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5e9695/32.png) [@Windwalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Windwalker)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/53 "2009-10-27T05:35:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Well, we know that in ten years, Topher will have gotten a really good lesson about consequences. > > Unfortunately, so wll the rest of the world. I really wish the show would hurry up and get to those consequences, as it seems like Dollhouse’s days are numbered. I fear that, like with Firefly (which was undoubtedly a much better show), we’ll only be able to see the build-up and not the payoff for the series… Bring on Epitaph Two+! ---
**Author:** ![Kaio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c68b51/32.png) [@Kaio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaio)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/54 "2009-10-27T06:13:24Z")
> [@Pigs\_in\_Space](#): > > Well, yeah. Am I the only one whose heart broke at (spoilers for Epitaph One) Oh, no. I got teary-eyed. He was so _broken._ And then “I know what I know. I know what I know.” Trying to find comfort in his (now shattered) belief that his smarts can do anything and protect him from anything. The fact that he started out as a cocky amoral know-it-all makes his fall that much harder. (I also can’t _imagine_ trying to live with the guilt that I had been instrumental in destroying the world.) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/55 "2009-10-27T17:29:59Z")
I thought that when Priya asked Topher to make her forget that day, she meant she wanted to have her original backup (her real personality) reloaded, so that she’d be herself minus the memories of what had transpired that day. Because I couldn’t see why she’d accept going back to the dollhouse. So I thought that he tricked her, and then secretly reimplanted the sierra image. But I guess that doesn’t make sense narratively - she volunteered to become a doll again for no good reason. ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angel_of_the_lord/32/2949_2.png) [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angel_of_the_Lord)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/56 "2009-10-27T17:46:51Z")
I think that she did it for Victor, to stay with him. It’s also possible that, off-screen, Boyd explained the situation–namely that, should she go free, it’s likely that Rossum would either take her back or kill her. If she comes back now, then she’s relatively safe; she has Boyd and Topher theoretically looking out for her (as well as DeWitt, though she wouldn’t know that). ---
**Author:** ![infinitii](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e8c25b/32.png) [@infinitii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/infinitii)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/57 "2009-10-27T17:52:48Z")
> [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](#): > > I think that she did it for Victor, to stay with him. It’s also possible that, off-screen, Boyd explained the situation–namely that, should she go free, it’s likely that Rossum would either take her back or kill her. If she comes back now, then she’s relatively safe; she has Boyd and Topher theoretically looking out for her (as well as DeWitt, though she wouldn’t know that). There’s also the fact that if she left now, it would all have been for nothing and she would be worse off than she had been before. However, if she continues through with the contract, then she is set for life and doesn’t have to remember anything she did all 5 years of her service. ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/58 "2009-10-27T18:28:41Z")
Did Priya get a “contract”? She was basically a crazy girl in a mental ward. Maybe her contract was simply that she woudl be uncrazified by the end of the contract. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/59 "2009-10-27T18:46:59Z")
Which leads to this question: how did Topher make Priya come back? All they had on file for her was a brain scan of when she was so messed up with drugs she acted like a dellusional schizophrenic. So when they reimplanted that scan back into her, wouldn’t the brain activity of the time also come back? Or are we to believe that they can take that stuff out? “Cure” her. If that’s the case, then instead of curing her, or even attempting to cure her, they kidnapped her and forced her to work for The Dollhouse for at least a year without her consent. Fun times. And, if they have the technology to cure something as serious as, well, all mental disorders…what the fuck are they doing as a glorified escort service? Do you know how many hundreds of billions of dollars they can make on that technological use alone just by going legit? ---
**Author:** ![Kaio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c68b51/32.png) [@Kaio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaio)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940/60 "2009-10-27T20:14:01Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Which leads to this question: how did Topher make Priya come back? > All they had on file for her was a brain scan of when she was so messed up with drugs she acted like a dellusional schizophrenic. So when they reimplanted that scan back into her, wouldn’t the brain activity of the time also come back? > Or are we to believe that they can take that stuff out? “Cure” her. > If that’s the case, then instead of curing her, or even attempting to cure her, they kidnapped her and forced her to work for The Dollhouse for at least a year without her consent. Fun times. > And, if they have the technology to cure something as serious as, well, all mental disorders…what the fuck are they doing as a glorified escort service? Do you know how many hundreds of billions of dollars they can make on that technological use alone just by going legit? I’m not sure what their original plan was (try to cure schizophrenia? there was something about her being a mental illness case that intrigued Topher). But in actual fact she wasn’t schizophrenic, and was only acting paranoid because of the drugs in her system and the fact that Nolan really was after her. It’s been a year, they’ve taken her off the psychotropics, so the cause of her mental illness has long sense been flushed out of her brain chemistry. However the imprinting works, I doubt it can replicate the existence of drugs in her system. Even if the electrical activity was recorded as being off-kilter, presumably it would naturally return to normal on its own once put back in a brain that wasn’t swimming in drugs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-10-23/514940.md?page=4)