# Dollhouse Mar 27 2009: Echoes **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 28, 2009, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052 "2009-03-28T01:29:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/1 "2009-03-28T01:29:49Z")
Joss-y dialog! We have trademark Joss Whedon dialog, and it’s the people infected by the drug who are mostly spouting it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/2 "2009-03-28T01:35:59Z")
> [@chrisk](#): > > Joss-y dialog! We have trademark Joss Whedon dialog, and it’s the people infected by the drug who are mostly spouting it. 🙂 Dewitt is really cute when she’s high. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/3 "2009-03-28T01:38:08Z")
Inappropriate starches!!! ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/4 "2009-03-28T02:28:00Z")
In 1966, **Star Trek** ran the episode “The Naked Time,” about a drug that lowered inhibitions and was spread by contact. The show is often credited for helping turn **Star Trek** into a phenomenon, mainly by the scene where Spock cried. In 1987, **Star Trek: The Next Generation** ran the episode, “The Naked Now,” about a drug that lowered inhibitions and was spread by contact. It was an attempt to recreate the success of “The Naked Time.” Now, **Dollhouse** runs the episode “Echoes,” about a drug that lowered inhibitions and was spread by contact. Coincidence? In any case, **Dollhouse** is really starting to take off. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/5 "2009-03-28T02:29:40Z")
Heh. Who among us has not said, at one time or another, “I find lentils completely incomprehensible”? Ok, so I found the premise of all these dolls, drug-wacked extras and security types wandering around a busy campus without the slightest notice from other students, or the university administration, preposterous in the extreme, but the backstory involving how Caroline ended up in the Dollhouse was cleverly integrated into the plot, and there were some really great bits from the actors playing Dominic and DeWitt, among others. It seemed pretty clear from the end promo that events that most people would have thought would take place in the season-ender are coming next week. At this point, therefore, I’ve gotta say I’ve no frickin’ clue where this show is going after that, but I kinda like it that way. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/6 "2009-03-28T02:36:17Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > In 1966, **Star Trek** ran the episode “The Naked Time,” about a drug that lowered inhibitions and was spread by contact. The show is often credited for helping turn **Star Trek** into a phenomenon, mainly by the scene where Spock cried. > > In 1987, **Star Trek: The Next Generation** ran the episode, “The Naked Now,” about a drug that lowered inhibitions and was spread by contact. It was an attempt to recreate the success of “The Naked Time.” > > Now, **Dollhouse** runs the episode “Echoes,” about a drug that lowered inhibitions and was spread by contact. > > Coincidence? > > In any case, **Dollhouse** is really starting to take off. If we follow the progression, the next notable example of this trope is due to arrive in the year 2032. However, less trivially, I would say that none of these episodes are really **about** the drug - in all three cases, it’s a plot device. What the stories are ABOUT is what we learn about the characters in such an unusual situation, with their social masks stripped away. And, to repeat one of Joss’ best quotes about Firefly: “You take people, you put them on a journey. You give them peril, you find out who they really are. If there’s any kind of fiction better than that, I don’t know what it is.” I think that after a bit of wandering around to start with, we’re definitely underway. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/7 "2009-03-28T02:45:34Z")
Heh. Does Dominic actually have a conscience? Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/8 "2009-03-28T02:56:43Z")
> [@chrisk](#): > > And, to repeat one of Joss’ best quotes about Firefly: “You take people, you put them on a journey. You give them peril, you find out who they really are. If there’s any kind of fiction better than that, I don’t know what it is.” Interesting, as he has a character in the episode “War Stories” speak almost exactly the second sentence of that quote to Mal and Wash as he prepares to torture them mercilessly. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_the\_Immortal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Max\_the\_Immortal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_the_Immortal)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/9 "2009-03-28T07:34:57Z")
Ah, Whedon dialogue, how I’ve missed you. Sure, previous episodes gave us a taste here and there, but this episode was veritably steeped in it. I hope the show can keep it up in future episodes. I’m getting more and more curious about what brought Sierra and Victor to the Dollhouse. ---
**Author:** ![Jillyvn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Jillyvn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jillyvn)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/10 "2009-03-28T09:50:09Z")
I think I missed last week’s thread and didn’t post, but I’m happy to see one for this week 🙂 It’s nice to see people are sticking around for the show. This was one of the best eps so far, imho. I did find it a bit cliche that Echo/Caroline finds her way into the Dollhouse via an animal rights activist threadline, but I speculate that after disappearing from the hospital, she goes on a bit of a tear against the corporation. The preview of next weeks episode leaves me hopfeful that my initial prediction that the show would devolve the dollhouse into the big bad post haste appears to be coming to fruition, which pleases me to a great degree. I also found this one of the most “joss” of all the episodes. Also, good news from Fox, for those who haven’t got it - they’ve committed to airing all thirteen episodes. Baby steps towards a renewal? Hopefully we’ll see a post-BSG spike in viewers to make this happen. I really, really love this show and want it back next year. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/11 "2009-03-28T17:41:45Z")
Man, I had given up on this show after the vault ep. I was bored at work yesterday and read last week’s thread, and decided to give it another chance. Was underwhelmed. They really don’t seem to have any idea how they are using that asian doll - Sienna? And I loved it when the black guy and Echo were planning to sneak out of the treatment facility - and ended up just getting up and walking out the door - after which one of them said “That worked!” Reminded me about how in the vault all they needed to do was stroll out the door in the middle of a firefight. The whole “foundry” bit was painfully obvious to anyone who even noticed a sewer cover. And I loved it when they were in the tunnel and Echo said “We follow the red pipe” - yeah, to the ladder which is maybe a whole 10 feet further down the tunnel. Just seems way sloppier than I remember Joss’ previous shows. A shame that even Eliza’s stems on constant display can’t keep my interest. Still have last week’s ep on DVR - thought of watching it to see if the fighting was as good as folk have said. But I imagine I’ll FF thru much of the rest. Loved it when ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/12 "2009-03-28T20:50:53Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > They really don’t seem to have any idea how they are using that asian doll - Sienna? [Dichen Lachman](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1901842/) is Aussie/Nepalese, fwiw, and the name is “Sierra”. These are all the words you use to avoid confusion when giving call letters - international radiotelephony spelling alphabet: **Alpha** Bravo Charlie Delta **Echo** Foxtrot Golf Hotel India Juliet Kilo Lima Mike November Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo **Sierra** Tango Uniform **Victor** Whiskey X-ray Yankee Zulu So I’m hoping we get to see a Foxtrot and a Romeo at some point. I don’t know who would play Mr. Zulu. ---
**Author:** ![Idlewild](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8491ac/32.png) [@Idlewild](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idlewild)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/13 "2009-03-28T21:09:06Z")
Foxtrot was mentioned in this episode in passing. I can’t remember the context, but we figured it was to clue anyone in who was still in the dark about the naming scheme. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/14 "2009-03-28T21:34:33Z")
Also, DeWitt & Topher referred to Mellie as November. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/15 "2009-03-28T22:09:37Z")
Wonder if the new doll will be zulu. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/16 "2009-03-28T23:23:13Z")
> [@Idlewild](#): > > Foxtrot was mentioned in this episode in passing. I can’t remember the context, but we figured it was to clue anyone in who was still in the dark about the naming scheme. I thought I might have heard a Foxtrot, but [can’t imagine the name without envisioning this guy](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/girlwithapearlearring/FoxtrotInertia.gif). ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/17 "2009-03-28T23:30:30Z")
I was pretty much bored through this week. I kept wanting to fastforward. A random aside: I do wish they would give that girl some sensible shoes. It just makes no sense to have her running on high heals all the time. Another: I usually don’t like a woman in white stockings, but Eliza really pulls it off. If it doesn’t get better, I think I’ll be taking it off my weekly record list. It is OK, but not great. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/18 "2009-03-29T00:08:32Z")
> [@Khadaji](#): > > A random aside: I do wish they would give that girl some sensible shoes. It just makes no sense to have her running on high heals all the time. Makes perfect sense for a prostitute IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/19 "2009-03-29T02:48:14Z")
Someone called Sierra “Taffy”. Speaking of which, the whole “wearing comfy shoes” comment aside, the Taffy personna would have been a whole lot less memorable without the thigh-high high-heeled boots. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052/20 "2009-03-29T04:54:39Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Wonder if the new doll will be zulu. Too obv. Maybe Mike. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-mar-27-2009-echoes/491052.md?page=2)