# Dollhouse (Whedon) advice **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 20, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367 "2010-07-20T17:30:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petrobey_Mavromihalis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/1 "2010-07-20T17:30:07Z")
Just about to start watching this. Should I start with the unaired pilot? Or save it for later? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angel_of_the_lord/32/2949_2.png) [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angel_of_the_Lord)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/2 "2010-07-20T17:46:42Z")
Save it for later. A lot of the footage gets re-used in other episodes, and it’ll just be weird. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/3 "2010-07-20T18:29:12Z")
> [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](#): > > Just about to start watching this. Should I start with the unaired pilot? Or save it for later? Thanks! Don’t watch it at all. Most of the scenes from the pilot are worked in to other episodes. The unaired pilot is just really shitty and there’s definitely a reason why it was cut up and used as flashbacks instead of airing on its own. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/4 "2010-07-20T19:03:44Z")
Skip it. It’s not like Firefly, where they didn’t air the pilot. They made a new pilot instead and you should watch that. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/5 "2010-07-20T19:45:08Z")
I agree. Just watch the episodes in order. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/6 "2010-07-20T20:47:45Z")
And remember, it gets better. Dollhouse was Whedon’s weakest show at the beginning. They had trouble getting it going, but the 2nd season was great! ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/7 "2010-07-20T20:48:43Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > And remember, it gets better. Dollhouse was Whedon’s weakest show at the beginning. They had trouble getting it going, but the 2nd season was great! But then it ended in a pretty unsatisfying way. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/8 "2010-07-20T21:01:42Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > But then it ended in a pretty unsatisfying way. Yes and no. Yes, it gave me all the ingredients I wanted, in all the right proportions to each other - but instead of being entree-sized it was a petite bouchee. ---
**Author:** ![Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petrobey_Mavromihalis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/9 "2010-07-20T22:21:48Z")
Thanks folks, that’s all I needed to know. Starting with Ep 1 right now. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/10 "2010-07-21T00:38:10Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > But then it ended in a pretty unsatisfying way. Actually, I kind of liked it. At least I didn’t see it coming. Let’s not spoil it for anyone, though. ---
**Author:** ![Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petrobey_Mavromihalis)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/11 "2010-07-21T14:01:14Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Actually, I kind of liked it. At least I didn’t see it coming. > > Let’s not spoil it for anyone, though. Well I’m happy to leave you to it if you want to discuss. Alternatively I could give my first impressions as I watch (like the Buffy thread). I enjoyed the first ep and am looking forward to the rest (although after this I’ll have no more Joss to watch . . .). What do you think? ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/12 "2010-07-21T14:05:45Z")
The final episode was completely redundant. They should have ended it with the next-to-last one; Echo’s line at the end was just the perfect note. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/13 "2010-07-21T15:00:51Z")
As someone who watched the first season, but missed the second, can someone give me a spoiler box of what happened? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/14 "2010-07-21T15:02:59Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > As someone who watched the first season, but missed the second, can someone give me a spoiler box of what happened? Wikipedia has a pretty good rundown of the whole second season. > **[List of Dollhouse episodes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dollhouse_episodes#Season_2:_2009.E2.80.932010)** > > Dollhouse is an American science fiction television series created by Joss Whedon which premiered on Fox on February 13, 2009 in the United States. It ran for two seasons before its cancellation, ending its run January 29, 2010. The series comprises 27 produced episodes, with two unaired episodes – the original unaired pilot episode, "Echo" and the season one coda, "Epitaph One", which was aired internationally. Both episodes were made available on the season one DVD and Blu-ray releases. > The... ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/15 "2010-07-21T16:43:18Z")
Save the unaired pilot for later, even as late as after you’ve seen the entire series. The new pilot is a replacement for it, not a sequel, and a good chunk of it’s plotlines were reused in later episodes. However, _do_ watch the unaired season one finale (Epitaph 1) at the end of season 1. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dollhouse-whedon-advice/547367/16 "2010-07-21T17:18:15Z")
As I was watching all other episodes off the air, I left finding and watching Epitaph 1 until just before Epitaph 2, and I actually found that worked reasonably well.