# Domestic terrorists take aim at health care reform **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 24, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568 "2010-03-24T02:11:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/1 "2010-03-24T02:11:14Z")
[Democratic offices vandalized across the country](http://www.kansascity.com/2010/03/22/1830379/democratic-offices-vandalized.html) > [@](#): > > Authorities in Wichita and some other cities across the country are investigating vandalism against Democratic offices, apparently in response to health care reform. > > And on Monday, a former Alabama militia leader took credit for instigating the actions. > > … > > Mike Vanderboegh of Pinson, Ala., former leader of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern “Sons of Liberty” to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita. > > … > > Vanderboegh posted the call for action Friday on his blog, “Sipsey Street Irregulars.” Referring to the health care reform bill as “Nancy Pelosi’s Intolerable Act,” he told followers to send a message to Democrats. > > “We can break their windows,” he said. “Break them NOW. And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary. > > Vanderboegh told The Kansas City Star that the action was meant to “get everyone’s attention.” I wonder what it takes to get the attention of the FBI. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/2 "2010-03-24T02:26:38Z")
The lunatic fringe. So they break windows now, and start shooting later? In before someone tries to pull some sort of equivalency crap. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/3 "2010-03-24T02:38:20Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The lunatic fringe. Didn’t you get the memo? That stuff’s _Mainstream_ GOP now. [Repeal the 17th amendment:](http://gohmert.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=125&parentid=44§iontree=4,44,125&itemid=805) > [@](#): > > Ever since the safeguard of State legislatures electing U.S. Senators was removed by the 17th Amendment in 1913, there has been no check or balance on the Federal power grab for the last 97 years. Article V requires a minimum of 34 states to request a Convention which in this case, would be an Amendment Convention for only ONE amendment. > > “That one amendment would put a check and balance back on Federal usurpation of rights reserved to the States and people under the 9th and 10th Amendments. When drafted, the amendment would require ratification by only 38 states. We already have 39 states and that number will, no doubt, grow as people become aware of the foundational damage being done to the country,” said Gohmert. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/4 "2010-03-24T02:42:01Z")
Who is actually stupid enough to commit an act of vandalism because some blogger told you do? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/5 "2010-03-24T02:44:20Z")
Seriously, can we PLEASE just give Texas back to Mexico? Please? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/6 "2010-03-24T02:44:39Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > Who is actually stupid enough to commit an act of vandalism because some blogger told you do? I dunno. Try me. And **Squink** , what the fuck is that about? Is that guy suggesting that if state legislatures chose senators instead of the unwashed masses, we’d return to the idyllic days of the nineteenth century? Man, and I thought **Starving Artist** was nuts. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/7 "2010-03-24T02:45:28Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > Who is actually stupid enough to commit an act of vandalism because some blogger told you do? A Tea Partier? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/8 "2010-03-24T02:55:31Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > Who is actually stupid enough to commit an act of vandalism because some blogger told you do? The same sort of poor people who vote against their best interest by voting Republican. The same sort of bigoted people who actually think that letting same sex couples marry is some kind of threat despite being unable to articulate what that threat is when asked. The same sort of religious people who think their religion is the One True Faith, and don’t see the similarity of their attitude with all the other people who have their own One True Faith. And on, and on; the majority of the Right is composed of the stupidest, most gullible, most irrational people in the country. The rest being the people who use the stupid ones as tools. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/9 "2010-03-24T03:54:05Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > And **Squink** , what the fuck is that about? Is that guy suggesting that if state legislatures chose senators instead of the unwashed masses, we’d return to the idyllic days of the nineteenth century? Man, and I thought **Starving Artist** was nuts. I _think_ that’s what the congressman is shooting for. Some of the stuff that’s come out recently seems to defy parsing. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/10 "2010-03-24T04:12:11Z")
We’d be looking at a Senate with 64 Dems if the State Legislatures appointed Senators. Not sure how the GOP Congressman thinks this is going to help his party. ETA: As to the OP, this does seem like the kind of thing the FBI could come down hard on if they were so inclined. An organized effort to vandalize political offices does seem to be walking pretty close to the line regarding terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/11 "2010-03-24T04:18:38Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Seriously, can we PLEASE just give Texas back to Mexico? Please? C’mon, that’s not fair. Y’all have Bill Posey, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/12 "2010-03-24T12:07:57Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > C’mon, that’s not fair. Y’all have Bill Posey, after all. Fair enough, how about if we ship Bill to Texas and _then_ cede it to Mexico? It’s a win/win! ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/13 "2010-03-24T12:21:46Z")
Militia leader calls for massive window-breaking campaign? This is great news! Replacing all those windows will have our economy up and humming in just a couple weeks! I’m going to join the Bastiat Sons of Liberty Irregular Don’t Tread on Me Avenger Minutemen and do my part. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/14 "2010-03-24T14:03:16Z")
I said it in another thread, and I’ll say it here. These guys don’t have the balls to do anything more than break windows. As soon as they realize that getting shot at is no fun, their dreams of revolution will evaporate. Personally I’m surprised most of these troglodytes are evolved enough to have the opposable thumbs needed to operate modern firearms. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/15 "2010-03-24T14:32:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Vanderboegh posted the call for action Friday on his blog, “Sipsey Street Irregulars.” Referring to the health care reform bill as “Nancy Pelosi’s Intolerable Act,” he told followers to send a message to Democrats. > > “We can break their windows,” he said. “Break them NOW. And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary. Sounds eerily familiar > [@](#): > > The SA shattered the storefronts of about 7500 Jewish stores and businesses, hence the appellation Kristallnacht (Crystal Night) ---
**Author:** ![Dob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Dob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dob)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/16 "2010-03-24T14:33:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Personally I’m surprised most of these troglodytes are evolved enough to have the opposable thumbs needed to operate modern firearms. ha! nicely done ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/17 "2010-03-24T15:40:21Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Fair enough, how about if we ship Bill to Texas and _then_ cede it to Mexico? It’s a win/win! Sorry, no can do; we’re way over our crazy capacity down here. We’re presently looking at sending our State Board of Education to Minnesota. All they have to worry about up there currently is Michelle Bachmann. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/18 "2010-03-24T15:47:08Z")
Saw this on the news last night. I can only shake my head in disappointment at how far the Pubs have sank to. You guys just watch. Next Tea Bagger convention will have this guy as a speaker. Oh and by the way, he’s on medical disability, collection checks from the government. Just thought I’d mention that. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/19 "2010-03-24T15:56:46Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Oh and by the way, he’s on medical disability, collection checks from the government. Just thought I’d mention that. Yep. Vandenboergh is receiving SSDI. If these people were any more cognitively dissonant, they’d be stone blind. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/20 "2010-03-24T18:00:29Z")
Actually, the teabaggers will be running their own candidate in '12. Independent of the republicans. Their party mascot? The [squirrel](http://sackythesquirrel.com/). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568.md?page=2)