# Domestic terrorists take aim at health care reform **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 24, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568 "2010-03-24T02:11:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/181 "2010-03-27T14:50:33Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > The OP is whining that people are throwing bricks and making other threats. I say both sides do it. I just posted proof of that. And the response is… silence. No, you posted no proof that liberals broke GOP windows. Much like your claim about church burnings, it is entirely likely that the GOP windows were broken by tea baggers hoping to deflect criticism. Prove me wrong. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/182 "2010-03-27T15:01:28Z")
> [@](#): > > a) far-reaching legislation like this usually has bipartisan support > b) the GOP was largely excluded in the process > c) there were several parliamentary tricks, usually reserved for budgets only, used to get this through > d) most of the American people were against it for most of the time a) like suspending habeus corpus? b) more like chose not to participate, by virtue of preferring obstruction to participation. c) a simple majority is not a trick. d) sorry, that’s not true. Best you could say is, maybe, 49/51 divide. The only poll that counts is the one that occurred on election day and the people’s preference was pretty clear. Any other poll, until the next election day is just popularity rating at best. I thought democracy worked by the majority electing a president and then that president setting/passing policy based on majority support of the representatives elected by majority. That’s what happened here, by all accounts. So, short of sour grapes and we’d rather be obstuctionist, what’s the problem? If you support democracy and the rule of the majority then how can you oppose this? I know it sucks to be the 49 in a 51/49 divide, over any issue, but you either believe in democracy and the rule of the majority or you don’t. So which is it? The citizens chose the democrats, in the house, the congress, and the white house. What’s not clear about that? Being obstructionist just makes the republicans look like jerkward, petty shitstirrers. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/183 "2010-03-27T15:38:24Z")
The issue isn’t the extremists on both sides, it is the mainstreaming of the right-wing whackos into the Republican Party. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/184 "2010-03-27T15:57:02Z")
There were no “tricks” at all unless you count the Republicans using every rule in the book to obstruct, such as the use of the filibuster. The law was passed by the house, then by 60% of the senate. Deem and pass was never used and reconciliation is just being used to modify the bill to remove the bad elements. What tricks were used by the Dems? ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/185 "2010-03-27T16:01:22Z")
Also, this just in: Republicans refuse to sign joint civility statement [http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35096.html](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35096.html) Also, if everyone is so against the bill, why is a plurality supporting it now? [http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/25/polls-indicate-support-for-health-care-reform-has-increased-since-sunday-vote/?fbid=BIHTQbaQ7ng](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/25/polls-indicate-support-for-health-care-reform-has-increased-since-sunday-vote/?fbid=BIHTQbaQ7ng) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/186 "2010-03-27T16:01:47Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > There were no “tricks” at all unless you count the Republicans using every rule in the book to obstruct, such as the use of the filibuster. > > The law was passed by the house, then by 60% of the senate. Deem and pass was never used and reconciliation is just being used to modify the bill to remove the bad elements. > > What tricks were used by the Dems? Like I said, it was carried by the majority. As for tricks vs bipartisanship, here’s some real good bipartisanship right here - [![](https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4062/4464222264_63cfc280d9.jpg) ](https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4062/4464222264_63cfc280d9.jpg) > [@](#): > > [The GOP's One-Way Bipartisanship Continues In Final Health Care Vote | Crooks and Liars](http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/gop-one-way-bipartisanship-continues) > > After a year of rancorous debate, Congress has given its blessing to the final health care reform bill. As expected, the reconciliation fixes to the $940 billion package received exactly zero Republican votes, passing the House 220 to 207 and 56 to 43 in the Senate. > > Of course, every single Republican in the House and Senate voted against that Clinton deficit reduction legislation, too. For more history on the GOP’s one-way street, see “Bipartisanship’s Willing Executioners.” > [@](#): > > [http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001701.htm](http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001701.htm) > > The numbers don’t lie. For over a generation, Democrats have acquiesced in the GOP’s budget-busting tax cuts for the wealthy, while Republicans instead presented a unified rejectionist front on the economic programs of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Worse still, the Republicans’ record-breaking use of the filibuster since being relegated to the minority in 2006 has made the 60 vote threshold a permanent fixture of the Senate. As for Gergen’s nostalgia for the political parties that passed Social Security and Medicare with bipartisan majorities, they simply don’t exist anymore. > > Sadly, President Obama’s almost pathological obsession with bipartisan consensus only served to produce more political masochism when it came to this month’s health care votes. In the House, exactly one Republican voted for a health care reform bill which passed by a 220-215 margin. Contrary to John McCain’s mythology that in the Senate, there had been “no effort that I know of – of serious across the table negotiations,” Obama repeatedly reached out to GOP Senators like Olympia Snowe and left the writing of the Senate health bill to the bipartisan “Gang of Six.” For that, President Obama only got what Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) called a “holy war” - and zero Republican votes. > > While decrying that “the Senate is spiraling into the ground to a degree that I have never seen before” and “all modicum of courtesy is going out the window,” Lott was also brutally frank about his 2007 strategy to prevent any Democratic wins come hell or high water: > > ``` > "The strategy of being obstructionist can work or fail. So far it's working for us." > > ``` And there are more threats against them there libruls and Commies, now it’s Pelosi being sort of threatened, except the guy is so cowardly, so chickenshit, he doesn’t even have the balls to make a proper threat, and tries to “weasel word” it… the same Teabag shit stain who is on the public dole himself. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/187 "2010-03-27T16:21:20Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > No, you posted no proof that liberals broke GOP windows. No, I did not do that. I posted examples of GOP HQ and other GOP (Bunning, e.g.) getting targeted. Just like Dems were targeted. As I mentioned before, it’s not proof, either way, of whodunnit until they catch/convict the guy(s). ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/188 "2010-03-27T16:26:18Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > d) sorry, that’s not true. Best you could say is, maybe, 49/51 divide. > > The only poll that counts is the one that occurred on election day and the people’s preference was pretty clear. Any other poll, until the next election day is just popularity rating at best. Why can’t you people read a simple poll? It’s amazing, like I’m talking to toddlers here. You don’t like the facts so you just deny them. Go back and look at the [polls](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html) one more time. Then do it again. And again I guess. The public was against this. The Dems ignored that. That’s what got the country all stirred up. Christ almighty, it’s amazing the ignorance still out there… I guess Cecil’s work is never done. As for the election day ‘poll’, your story is that it was a mandate on UHC. [Wrong](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/). I accept your apology in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/189 "2010-03-27T16:27:05Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > No, I did not do that. I posted examples of GOP HQ and other GOP (Bunning, e.g.) getting targeted. Just like Dems were targeted. As I mentioned before, it’s not proof, either way, of whodunnit until they catch/convict the guy(s). Well, when a member of Congress gets a death threat on his answering machine specifically because of his vote for HCR, it is far more proof than a nameless brick through the GOP’s window. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/190 "2010-03-27T16:28:05Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > I accept your apology in advance. Coming right up. My dog is making it in the yard as I speak. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/191 "2010-03-27T16:44:28Z")
So basically, after being unsuccessful in obstructing (the latest one is real cute, no work after 2PM, and so was the “thing” about supermajority being needed), after spreading lies about communism and death panels and skyrocketing taxes and returning to the America we used to have (uh huh), after getting the far far right teabag loonies riled up, after threats of violence and racial slurs and spitting, etc etc etc, It’s all OK and understandable because as the wife beater would say “You made me do it” Don’t even have the fucking guts to own up, man up and take ownership of it. You made me do it. Spineless bastards make me wanna puke. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/192 "2010-03-27T16:55:14Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > No, I did not do that. I posted examples of GOP HQ and other GOP (Bunning, e.g.) getting targeted. Just like Dems were targeted. As I mentioned before, it’s not proof, either way, of whodunnit until they catch/convict the guy(s). Equivalency fail. You posted an example of a bullet passing through a window that was near a GOP office. Which was later shown to be a randomly fired at the end of it’s trajectory. This does not compare with cutting a gas line at a residence, which was referred to as “collateral damage” by the GOP wingnut who posted the address on the web. Your church burning attempt is also a major fail, since you now admit that it was based on your “recollection” and you can find no proof. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/193 "2010-03-27T17:01:33Z")
How can the republicans claim it lacked bipartisan support on the one hand and be totally obstructionist on the other? They were invited to the table, but they just kept saying, ‘let’s start over’, after months and months of work went into it. If you don’t have anything to contribute then just sit in corner and cry, “But we don’t like it!” Sorry, I’m not buying it. If you are sworn to obstructionism, then don’t complain when no one wants any input from you. The bottom line is this president was elected by a majority, his legislation was passed by majority, by persons elected by majorities. Where’s the problem? If people don’t like it they can elect someone else next time. Until then, suck it up you pansies. When the republicans had their chance they led the country into a war, based on a lie, that cost lives and far more money than healthcare reform will. They deregulated wall street till the world economy teetered on the brink of collapse. And when given the opportunity the American people decided they’d had enough of that and they’d like to try another way. So suck it up and quit you’re bellyaching. It’s like they still can’t get used to the idea that they lost the election. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/194 "2010-03-27T18:18:12Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Back to the OP: hey, [lookie here](http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/bricks-thrown-through-windows-of-county-gop-hq-in-va.php). Turns out both sides have whackjobs. Who would have [thunk it](http://www.wtvq.com/news/2432-bomb-threat-at-bunnings-hazard-office). [And one of Rep Alan Grayson’s five year old twins intercepted a death threat call at his Orlando residence.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjhQJ2nRDoI) _ **EQUIVALENCY. MOTHERFUCKING. FAIL.** _ ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/195 "2010-03-27T18:21:44Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > How can the republicans claim it lacked bipartisan support on the one hand and be totally obstructionist on the other? > > They were invited to the table, but they just kept saying, ‘let’s start over’, after months and months of work went into it. If you don’t have anything to contribute then just sit in corner and cry, “But we don’t like it!” > > Sorry, I’m not buying it. If you are sworn to obstructionism, then don’t complain when no one wants any input from you. > > The bottom line is this president was elected by a majority, his legislation was passed by majority, by persons elected by majorities. Where’s the problem? If people don’t like it they can elect someone else next time. Until then, suck it up you pansies. > > When the republicans had their chance they led the country into a war, based on a lie, that cost lives and far more money than healthcare reform will. They deregulated wall street till the world economy teetered on the brink of collapse. And when given the opportunity the American people decided they’d had enough of that and they’d like to try another way. So suck it up and quit you’re bellyaching. It’s like they still can’t get used to the idea that they lost the election. I’ll ignore the last paragraph, if only because there’s no need to change the subject (that’s a Dem trick after they lose arguments… 😃 ) The point is, the bill was hammered through against the wishes of most of Americans. Here’s [yet another poll](http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/new-polls-public-still-skeptical-of-health-care-law/), this time cited by that knuckledragging mouthpiece of the GOP, the NY Times. > [@](#): > > Voters disapproved of the bill, 49 percent to 40 percent, in a Quinnipiac University poll taken this week after the House vote on Sunday. Just before the measure passed, a poll showed that opponents outnumbered supporters by 18 points, or 54 percent to 36 percent. You people cannot make the case that Americans were in favor of this, simply because the case cannot be made. Now, you can argue that UHC is a good idea, and hey it’s good for the country, and people don’t know what’s good for them, etc. But that’s a completely different argument. The public had a year (longer, really) to look at it, and the Prez had plenty of chances to sell Obamacare, as my conservative friends call it. He is the one who had the epic fail (to use the parlance of the 14 yr old). So they ramrodded it through with no GOP votes at all. Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead. That certainly works for the short term, but my guess (and others, especially guys like Charlie Cook who have no axe to grind) suggest that the Dems have handed the GOP some seroius bulletin board material for Nov. Not that it will be repealed; that’s silly. Even if the GOP were to take back the Senate (and they won’t), they still wouldn’t have a veto-proof supermajority. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/196 "2010-03-27T18:24:16Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Well, when a member of Congress gets a death threat on his answering machine specifically because of his vote for HCR, it is far more proof than a nameless brick through the GOP’s window. I’m sorry; what proof was that again? In other words, you have proof that it was a tea partier or GOP extremist, and not a Democrat trying to change the conversation away from the recently unpopular bill they just passed? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/197 "2010-03-27T18:27:37Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > The issue isn’t the extremists on both sides, it is the mainstreaming of the right-wing whackos into the Republican Party. Good luck getting **Mr Smashy** to understand that. > [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Not to sully this conversation wtih the facts or anything, but they removed the public option to get the votes of Lieberman, Landrieux, and [Pryor](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/08/AR2009120804388.html), who are Democrats. So, again, you’re not aware of the efforts they made to get Snowe’s vote? Because she was on the committee of six that helped design the bill. > [@](#): > > Bullshit. He was elected primarily because there was a financial meltdown in the 6 weeks leading up to the last Presidential election and McCain was tarred with that as his party held the WH. The polls show this is incorrect. Obama had a pretty consistent lead for most of the summer and fall, and McCain’s poll numbers never recovered following that Katie Couric interview. So would you care to respond to any of the points I made instead of dodging around? Because I stand by what I said: a great deal of effort was made to get votes from, in particular, Snowe. And the GOP could have gotten more of what they want in the bill if they had negotiated instead of trying to kill it no matter what was offered. Their tactic failed, and Obama did not invite the death threats. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/198 "2010-03-27T18:28:47Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > I’m sorry; what proof was that again? In other words, you have proof that it was a tea partier or GOP extremist, and not a Democrat trying to change the conversation away from the recently unpopular bill they just passed? Oh! I get it now! You’re not a conservative pretending to be an independent! You’re just a conspiracy theorist. It all makes sense now. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/199 "2010-03-27T18:31:10Z")
Polls go up and down like hemlines, are terribly unreliable and can be manipulated, by the unscrupulous, to any end. That’s why polls don’t determine policy. Votes do. In a democracy that means the only poll that counts is the one that happens on election day. And the republicans can’t seem to accept that they lost. They did not represent the majority position on the day it mattered most. Too bad, so sad. All the polls in the world cannot change that. When something is passed, by a majority, in both houses, by officials elected by a majority, and signed into law by a president elected by a majority, that’s not ‘rammed through’, that’s how democracy is supposed to work. The republicans, who claim to be all about supporting democracy, seem to feel that if they take a few seats from democrats they’ll have a mandate, the people will have spoken. The people have already spoken, the white house, the senate, the house - all democratic majority. Suck it up you sore losers. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/200 "2010-03-27T18:33:27Z")
Y’all wanted to hear about arrests? [http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view\_all&address=389x8023193](http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8023193) > [@](#): > > Oklahoma Man Arrested for Twittering Tea Party Death Threats > > An Oklahoma City man who announced on Twitter that he would turn an April 15 tax protest into a bloodbath was hit with a federal charge of making interstate threats last week, in what appears to be first criminal prosecution to stem from posts on the microblogging site. … “START THE KILLING NOW! I am willing to be the FIRST DEATH!,” read a tweet at 8:01 PM that day. “After I am killed on the Capitol Steps, like a REAL man, the rest of you will REMEMBER ME!!!,” he added five minutes later. Then: “Send the cops around. I will cut their heads off the heads and throw the on the State Capitol steps.” [http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/scottott/EPA-arrests-CNBCs-Rick-Santelli-40212122.html](http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/scottott/EPA-arrests-CNBCs-Rick-Santelli-40212122.html) > [@](#): > > EPA arrests CNBC’s Rick Santelli > > CNBC reporter Rick Santelli, whose passionate rant about the Obama housing rescue plan, and call for a “Chicago Tea Party” became a viral internet video, was arrested today by armed officers from the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) covert special forces division. > > Held without bail at an undisclosed “brownfield site”, Santelli faces several counts of reckless endangerment of wildlife habitat after he threatened to rally capitalists to dump “derivative securities” into Lake Michigan as a way of re-enacting the Boston Tea-Party protest of 1773. > > Read more at the Washington Examiner: [http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/scottott/EPA-arrests-CNBCs-Rick-Santelli-40212122.html#ixzz0jP1WwRPa](http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/scottott/EPA-arrests-CNBCs-Rick-Santelli-40212122.html#ixzz0jP1WwRPa) > **[UPDATE: Six arrests….Tea Party Patriots: Carnahan, St Louis: Constituents...](https://moderateinthemiddle.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/tea-party-patriots-carnahan-st-louis-constituents-locked-out-of-town-hall-while-seiu-let-in/)** > > Oh lookee here at the PostDispatch update, one of their reporters was arrested… …She also saw Post-Dispatch reporter Jake Wagman, who was reporting on the event and shooting video for s… I saved THE BEST for last > **['Oath Keepers' Leader Arrested For Child Rape; Cops Find Stolen Grenade...](https://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/tea-party-leader-arrested-rape)** > > \[media id=11596\] > > We first noticed Marine Sgt. Charles Dyer, aka "July4Patriot," back in March, when we ran one of the first reports on the "Oath Keep > [@](#): > > ‘Oath Keepers’ Leader Arrested for Child Rape; Cops Find Stolen Grenade Launcher In His House > > Dyer played a prominent role in connecting the Oath Keepers to the Tea Party movement, speaking at a July 4 Tea Party rally in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. And he’s been involved in organizing militia “maneuvers” in Oklahoma. > > Dyer cropped up again in the news – this time in the police blotter for allegedly raping a 7-year-old girl: … > Oh, and guess what police found when they searched his home: > > ``` > During the search the sheriff’s deputies noted several firearms and a device believed to be a Colt M-203, 40-millimeter grenade launcher, a complaint filed in the United States District Court of Western Oklahoma by Alcohol, Firearms and Tobacco Special Agent Brett Williams said. ... > > ``` > > “We come home and those bastards want to talk about how we’re domestic terrorists and a threat to this country. It makes me so angry,” said Charles Dyer, who has been accused of committing rape. > > … More incriminating evidence against Dyer has surfaced in a YouTube video. The video shows Dyer, a former U.S. Marine, talking proudly about domestic terrorism. “Join the military?”, said Dyer. “Depends on what you want to do with it. Me? I’m going to use my training and become one of those domestic terrorists that you’re so afraid of from the DHS reports.” That’s one hell of a guy right there. That’s your fucking Tea Party. Let your little war start. I’m betting none of your Tea Baggers have the balls to really DO it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568.md?page=11)