# Domestic terrorists take aim at health care reform **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 24, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568 "2010-03-24T02:11:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/241 "2010-04-09T01:56:18Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > One may then assume that you have no interest in citing your posts on the SDMB that support liberal positions? Posts which, one would assume according to your statement, “In fact I have more liberal positions than conservative ones,” outnumber your posts supporting conservative positions? I guess there aren’t as many outrageous posts by conservatives (this board is a beehive of liberalism), so I haven’t chimed in on many of them. Would you like me to run down my positions on the issues? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/242 "2010-04-09T02:13:08Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Would you like me to run down my positions on the issues? Actually, no, that would be useless. I tend to not put much faith in position papers, it is more actions that I believe. I, as a liberal, have occasionally supported (to a greater or lesser extent, sometimes right - sometimes wrong) conservative positions on the board. (The ACORN flap, **gonzomax** is a moron, and a few others.) Those positions are out there for all to see that I have put my reputation out there for all to see. There is, however, no doubt to either the liberals or the conservatives of this board that I support more liberal than conservative positions. I, to believe that you support more (or even some) liberal postitions, as opposed to conservative positions, would need to see evidence of that here. I don’t. It’s not even sophistry; you’re simply a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Translucent\_Daydream](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/translucent_daydream/32/16170_2.png) [@Translucent\_Daydream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Translucent_Daydream)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/243 "2010-04-09T15:06:51Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > I like to quote editorials because they make the point in a more amusing way than the source data, but the data is all sourced. Then go get real cites, then. Citing something as fact that has “Obamacare” in it isn’t going to cut it, bro. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/244 "2010-04-10T03:28:27Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Other than, say, **Lonesome Polecat** and **Crafter\_Man** , we’re pretty much devoid of right-wing crazies I’m “right wing”? Hmm. Never considered myself right wing. Always thought of myself as libertarian. Why would you say I’m “right wing”? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/245 "2010-04-10T11:09:56Z")
Crafter, a libertarian is someone so far right wing, they’ve wrapped around to the left. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/246 "2010-04-12T23:13:08Z")
[Oklahoma tea parties and lawmakers envision militia](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/ap_on_re_us/us_tea_party_militia) > [@](#): > > Frustrated by recent political setbacks, tea party leaders and some conservative members of the Oklahoma Legislature say they would like to create a new volunteer militia to help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty. > > … > > But the militia talks reflect the frustration of some grass roots groups seeking new ways of fighting recent federal initiatives, such as the health reform plan, which requires all citizens to have health insurance. > > … > > The founding fathers “were not referring to a turkey shoot or a quail hunt. They really weren’t even talking about us having the ability to protect ourselves against each other,” Brogdon said. “The Second Amendment deals directly with the right of an individual to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from an overreaching federal government.” > > … > > Tea party leader J.W. Berry of the Tulsa-based OKforTea began soliciting interest in a state militia through his newsletter under the subject “Buy more guns, more bullets.” > > “It’s not a far-right crazy plan or anything like that,” Berry said. “This would be done with the full cooperation of the state Legislature.” So the minority political movement that cannot achieve its goal at the ballot box says taking up arms against the majority is now justified. Call me a Tory, but these boys need to feel the full weight of the US Army on their asses. Sedition should not be tolerated. If liberals can refrain from violence for eight years under the Bush regime, there can sure as hell stick to the political process to register their discontent. Otherwise, eat lead, fuckers. A few well placed Hellfire missiles should teach them proper respect for the law. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/247 "2010-04-12T23:26:01Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > **RNATB** , I shouldn’t have to remind you that the CBO is required the score the bill based on the ‘garbage in-garbage out’ that it’s made of. In other words, it must assume that the preposterous assumptions in there will pan out (DocFix, Medicare Advantage savings, etc.) No, the CBO is required to score the bill based on its own projections. > [@](#): > > This, and other reasons, I believe, is why much of the public was against this bill. This is why the Democrats will pay for passing it this November. And to some extent, the logrolling and tricks used by the Dems to get it passed over the will of the people has sparked off a lot of the violence and threats on this emotional issue. Much of the public was against this bill because the public was poorly informed (or deliberately misinformed, more accurately). Polls consistently showed that the public supported the bill’s provisions; they just didn’t support the bill itself, because of (admirable) steering of the debate by the right. It’s like that episode of the Man Show where they carried around a petition and asked women to support their efforts to end womens’ suffrage (“you don’t want women to suffer, do you?”) and fooled dozens of women into signing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568.md?page=12)