# Domestic terrorists take aim at health care reform **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 24, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568 "2010-03-24T02:11:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/61 "2010-03-25T22:45:39Z")
False equivalency is all they’ve got now. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/62 "2010-03-25T22:56:31Z")
Sarah Palin [ratchets up the violent rhetoric](http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2010/03/palin-says-reload-puts-a-gun-sight-target-on-kosmas-this-fall.html) with gun imagery against Democrats: > [@](#): > > On her [Facebook page](http://www.facebook.com/notes/sarah-palin/dont-get-demoralized-get-organized-take-back-the-20/373854973434)yesterday, former vice presidential candidate **Sarah Palin** released a list of 20 Democrats she wanted to target for defeat this fall, putting a rifle scope on two in Florida, including Space Coast freshman Rep. **Suzanne Kosmas** , D-New Smyrna Beach. > > … > > To promote the top-20 list, Palin [tweeted: “Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America : “Don’t Retreat, Instead RELOAD!”](http://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/10935548053) ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/63 "2010-03-25T23:01:12Z")
For anyone who HASN’T gone to the blog mentioned in the OP - here’s a sampling of what’s in it: > [@](#): > > The Doctrine of the Three Percent. > The Three Percent are the folks the Founders counted on to save the Republic when everyone else abandoned it. > > And we will. > > There will be no more free Wacos and no more free Katrinas. > > For we are the Three Percent. > > We will not disarm. > > You cannot convince us. > > You cannot intimidate us. > > You can try to kill us, if you think you can. > > But remember, we’ll shoot back . > > We are not going away. > > We are not backing up another inch. > > And there are THREE MILLION OF US. > > Your move, Mr. Wannabe Tyrant. > > Your move. > > And, as things begin to spin out of control, remember this: > “All politics in this country now is just dress rehearsal for civil war.” – Billy Beck, August 2009. Guy also claims > [@](#): > > I don’t advocate “initiating” civil war, I’m trying to prevent one. Which is why he’s organizing an ARMED march on Washington DC, with loaded pistols and unloaded rifles: from the Dave Ross Show blog, from KIRO radio in Seattle: > [@](#): > > Militia leader Mike Vanderboegh of Pinson Alabama is organizing an armed march on Washington for April 19th. > > “We will have loaded pistols on our hips. We will have unloaded rifles. I can guarantee you that we will get their attention.” > > You know the significance of April 19 – the day the first shot was fired in the American revolution, and more recently Oklahoma City bombing. > > Vanderboegh promises his side will not fire first, but in his on-line broadcast, he counsels his followers to be ready: > > “You need to be forming neighborhood defense organizations. You need to be looking to your arsenals. You need to be looking toward your neighbors and who you can count on and how do you build small fire teams and things like that because events will overtake you if you do not.” ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/64 "2010-03-25T23:09:45Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Cite please that ELF or Greenpeace or those who burn down black churches or Rioters at meetings are in any way, shape or form sponsored or supported by the political left. > > You are painting a false equivalence. 20 years ago, you might have been able to say “both sides are more or less the same”. It is not true now. The Republican party of old has lost control - things are now being run by those like Palin, who on her Facebook page, provides a map of the United States with a gun crosshair over each of the states of the Democrats that she is targeting on her list. I wouldn’t say that all of the political left is in favor of those shenanigans. Nor would you suggest that all of the political right is in favor of the stuff that’s been going on over the last 36 hrs. I suspect that you, as a lefty, are not in favor of websites like [this](http://www.greenanarchy.org/index.php?action=viewactiondetail&actionId=339). Nor should you be. But I’m not 12 yrs old so I’m not going to go around screaming that every lefty should denounce every lefty extremist organization. As for Palin and targeting states… you really equate the ‘targeting’ of states that the GOP will focus on, in the hopes of winning electorally I assume, with the supposed violence we’ve heard about today? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/65 "2010-03-25T23:24:58Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It looks that way, yes. > The problem is that you’re wrong. There are fringes on both sides, and they consist of small numbers of lunatics who get violent once in a while. I think that’s well understood. But what you’re missing is that this is a different animal, and by the way this is not a subtle distinction. Democratic Congressmen and Senators don’t encourage the ELF or people who protest the WTO or G8, but a lot of Republican elected officials are in bed with the Tea Party and have encouraged its worst excesses. They haven’t specifically said to shoot anyone, but they’ve consistently tried to cultivate the insanity in the hope of benefiting from the money and fanatical support of these people. Now these people have been hearing for two years that the president is an illegal alien terrorist who hates America, and they’ve been hearing for more than a year that this health care bill is going to bring Stalinism to the US and they have to save the country by fomenting a revolution. Predictably, some of these people are now getting violent. And I might add the midterms are more than seven months in a way and the genie is not going to go back into the bottle. Well, I appreciate your thoughts, I really do. I simply disagree. You start off saying I’m wrong, that both sides don’t do this. Then you say in your second sentence “There are fringes on both sides, and they consist of small numbers of lunatics who get violent once in a while.” Yes. We agree on that. You say the GOP politicians are in bed with the tea party and ‘encourage their worst excesses’. But not violence? If not, then what’s your point? If so, I’d have to ask for some proof. The tea party is not an arm of the Republican party. According to that famous right-wing mouthpiece, the [LA Times](http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/12/tea-party-more-popular-than-republicans-or-democrats.html), the Tea Party has tapped into a latent anger in this country against both parties. > [@](#): > > 41% of likely voters now have a favorable opinion of the tea party disciples, compared with 35% for Democrats and 28% for Republicans. If your premise is that the GOP’s more fringier (if that were a word) elements are intentionally whipping up the tea party into a frenzy because they want to incite violence, I don’t buy that. If you’re suggesting that they want to tap into the emotion to boost the numbers of what’s likely to be a ‘throw out the bums’ year, I totally buy that. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/66 "2010-03-25T23:42:56Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > I > I suspect that you, as a lefty, are not in favor of websites like [this](http://www.greenanarchy.org/index.php?action=viewactiondetail&actionId=339). Not as such, no. And I don’t think you’ll find Democrat politicians helping ELF with fundraising lunches, nor will you find a major media outlet helping masked G8 hoodlums to bus into their protests. You are comparing apples and oranges. > [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > As for Palin and targeting states… you really equate the ‘targeting’ of states that the GOP will focus on, in the hopes of winning electorally I assume, with the supposed violence we’ve heard about today? You “assume” that the gun targets are for “targeting” states to win democratically? and you probably “assume” that when Palin twittered “Don’t Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!'”, she meant “reload your enthusiasm”, right? They politicians use images and words like this for a reason- they know full well the subcontext and the meaning. They are playing to a crowd that is dangerously incited. They are playing with fire. ---
**Author:** ![rooostra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@rooostra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rooostra)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/67 "2010-03-25T23:49:32Z")
Tell you what: Provide some quotes from sitting Democrats in the House or Senate that express their support of ELF, any of the Black Block Anarchist Groups, or whoever it is that burned down black churches (by the way, it is the Sea Shepherds that ram boats, not Greenpeace) . I’m not even talking about support of their illegal acts, just someething like “I, Senator Dem, applaud the ELF and their policy goals.” Other posters can then post quotes from sitting Republican Senators and Reps that applaud the Tea Party movement. Do you honestly think you will get similar amounts from each side? Now, let’s talk about actual incendiary rhetoric. I challenge you to find the choicest quotes you can from Democrats that demonize Republicans over Health Care. Other posters can find the choicest quotes from Republicans. Do you honestly think that that there is going to be an equivalent set of quotes from each side? I think Rep. Driehart’s response to Rep. Boehner’s calling him a “dead man” makes the point fairly eloquently. "“I told him it was inexcusable,” Driehaus said. “It doesn’t really matter the way you meant it, nor the way I accept it. It’s how the \*\*least sane person \*\*in my district accepts it.” (bolding mine) I tend towards the free speach absolutist end of the spectrum, but at the end of the day, words do have consequences. If you are whipping people up into a frenzy with overheated rhetoric about how we are losing our freedoms and how the country is doomed and then using rhetoric about violent resistance, you shouldn’t be too surprised if someone acts on those words. There is probably not legal cupability, but in my opinion, there is certainly moral culpability. I don’t think Republican politicians are intentionally trying to incite violence, but for them to claim that it was not foreseeable that the rhetoric they are using could lead to violent results is ludicrous. > [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Well, I appreciate your thoughts, I really do. I simply disagree. > > You start off saying I’m wrong, that both sides don’t do this. Then you say in your second sentence “There are fringes on both sides, and they consist of small numbers of lunatics who get violent once in a while.” Yes. We agree on that. > > You say the GOP politicians are in bed with the tea party and ‘encourage their worst excesses’. But not violence? If not, then what’s your point? If so, I’d have to ask for some proof. > > The tea party is not an arm of the Republican party. According to that famous right-wing mouthpiece, the [LA Times](http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/12/tea-party-more-popular-than-republicans-or-democrats.html), the Tea Party has tapped into a latent anger in this country against both parties. > > If your premise is that the GOP’s more fringier (if that were a word) elements are intentionally whipping up the tea party into a frenzy because they want to incite violence, I don’t buy that. If you’re suggesting that they want to tap into the emotion to boost the numbers of what’s likely to be a ‘throw out the bums’ year, I totally buy that. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/68 "2010-03-25T23:54:41Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > They politicians use images and words like this for a reason- they know full well the subcontext and the meaning. They are playing to a crowd that is dangerously incited. They are playing with fire. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the Republican leadership is hoping for some serious violence, for the terror factor; and to kill off some Democrats so they can be replaced with Republicans. They of course will cry a few crocodile tears if some Democratic Congressman or Obama gets killed, while making some comments about the “understandable outrage” of the public which they sympathize with even if the “deplore the violent methods of its expression”. To make their approval clear, while legally covering their ass. Just like they do when some doctor gets killed by the anti-abortionists, or Democrats get anthrax in the mail, or some other right wing violence happens. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/69 "2010-03-25T23:56:40Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > You start off saying I’m wrong, that both sides don’t do this. Then you say in your second sentence “There are fringes on both sides, and they consist of small numbers of lunatics who get violent once in a while.” Yes. We agree on that. If you look at my earlier post, you’ll see I said neither side has a monopoly on violence. But the level of involvement from high-profile politicians and elected officials is not the same. > [@](#): > > You say the GOP politicians are in bed with the tea party and ‘encourage their worst excesses’. But not violence? If not, then what’s your point? They encourage the ignorance, the paranoia, the stupidity, the religious terror, the xenophobia, and the insanity, and pretend not to see the violence and threats of violence that go hand in hand with it. That’s my point. If you scare the living shit out of someone and tell them their life is in danger, you can’t be surprised when they do something crazy to “protect” themselves. > [@](#): > > The tea party is not an arm of the Republican party. Correct. The Republican party is making itself an arm of the Tea Party. And props to you on choosing the word “arm,” since these people keep threatening to shoot their political opponents. > [@](#): > > the Tea Party has tapped into a latent anger in this country against both parties. People are frustrated with both political parties, no question. But you don’t see Keith Olbermann and Dennis Kucinich promoting Tea Party events, while Fox personalities and people like Michelle Bachmann are all over them. > [@](#): > > If your premise is that the GOP’s more fringier (if that were a word) elements are intentionally whipping up the tea party into a frenzy because they want to incite violence, I don’t buy that. No, the Republican politicians don’t want to _incite_ violence. They want to take electoral advantage of the people who are threatening violence. They believe this rabid fear will lead to gains at the ballot box, so they are looking to tap into the fear - and encourage people to be afraid. The fear is inseparable from the violence, however. When you terrify people like this and the people have guns, violence is going to follow. > [@](#): > > If you’re suggesting that they want to tap into the emotion to boost the numbers of what’s likely to be a ‘throw out the bums’ year, I totally buy that. Do you think it’s a coincidence that only Democratic and pro-health care bums are getting death threats? And that only right wingers are supporting this way of throwing them out? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/70 "2010-03-26T00:02:50Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Not as such, no. And I don’t think you’ll find Democrat politicians helping ELF with fundraising lunches, nor will you find a major media outlet helping masked G8 hoodlums to bus into their protests. You are comparing apples and oranges. > > You “assume” that the gun targets are for “targeting” states to win democratically? and you probably “assume” that when Palin twittered “Don’t Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!'”, she meant “reload your enthusiasm”, right? > > They politicians use images and words like this for a reason- they know full well the subcontext and the meaning. They are playing to a crowd that is dangerously incited. They are playing with fire. I apologize for assuming you’re a liberal. It won’t happen again. I get something similar at me all the time, and it’s a little annoying. As for your moving the goalposts (we talking about the Facebook thing or the Twitter thing?), and Palin playing to imagery of guns; it’s pushing the line, but come on, Palin is widely known as a [bigtime gun hunter/2nd amend rights nut](http://www.faithmouse.com/sarah_palin_pancake_hunter.jpg), and so are her supporters I’d guess. I guess you’re suggesting that she’s doing this intentionally to get some right wing whackjob to go murder some abortion doctor? Or maybe she just realizes that tapping into the strong emotions are good thing for her, and her party? It’s a long cry from actually pointing at her targets and saying, “you know, it’d be great if someone took him/her out…” ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/71 "2010-03-26T00:04:36Z")
> [@rooostra](#): > > Tell you what: Provide some quotes from sitting Democrats in the House or Senate that express their support of ELF, any of the Black Block Anarchist Groups, or whoever it is that burned down black churches (by the way, it is the Sea Shepherds that ram boats, not Greenpeace) . I’m not even talking about support of their illegal acts, just someething like “I, Senator Dem, applaud the ELF and their policy goals.” Other posters can then post quotes from sitting Republican Senators and Reps that applaud the Tea Party movement. Do you honestly think you will get similar amounts from each side? > > Now, let’s talk about actual incendiary rhetoric. I challenge you to find the choicest quotes you can from Democrats that demonize Republicans over Health Care. Other posters can find the choicest quotes from Republicans. Do you honestly think that that there is going to be an equivalent set of quotes from each side? > > I think Rep. Driehart’s response to Rep. Boehner’s calling him a “dead man” makes the point fairly eloquently. "“I told him it was inexcusable,” Driehaus said. “It doesn’t really matter the way you meant it, nor the way I accept it. It’s how the \*\*least sane person \*\*in my district accepts it.” (bolding mine) > > I tend towards the free speach absolutist end of the spectrum, but at the end of the day, words do have consequences. If you are whipping people up into a frenzy with overheated rhetoric about how we are losing our freedoms and how the country is doomed and then using rhetoric about violent resistance, you shouldn’t be too surprised if someone acts on those words. There is probably not legal cupability, but in my opinion, there is certainly moral culpability. I don’t think Republican politicians are intentionally trying to incite violence, but for them to claim that it was not foreseeable that the rhetoric they are using could lead to violent results is ludicrous. No, I’m not going to waste my time. I’m the one saying that politicians don’t do this, you’re not. I challenge you to quote the GOP politician who is specifically inciting violence or insurrection. Do you think that Boehner was serious about wanting to get someone killed? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/72 "2010-03-26T00:17:23Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Do you think it’s a coincidence that only Democratic and pro-health care bums are getting death threats? And that only right wingers are supporting this way of throwing them out? I think it’s that way because the Democrats just virtually rammed down the throats of the American people a bill that many feel will ruin the country, and emotions are running hot. Whether the bill was good or not is immaterial; people feel powerless, especially the way it was handled. And the fact that a majority was against it doesn’t help things. What reason would anyone have to target GOP? What power do they have? The Dems could have passed this anytime they wanted - as I’ve mentioned before, the only thing bipartisan about this bill was the opposition to it. When you say ‘only right wingers’ are supporting throwing them out (ie killing or wounding or whatever) - you mean politicians? Or just crazies? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/73 "2010-03-26T00:29:27Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > I think it’s that way because the Democrats just virtually rammed down the throats of the American people a bill that many feel will ruin the country, and emotions are running hot. Oh, garbage. They bent over backwards trying to make the other side happy. Far from being “rammed” down the throats of the American people, this bill is watered down drastically from what most people wanted according to the polls. What, exactly, do you expect the Democrats to do when faced with an opposition that is determined to never compromise, never make any proposals of their own, to do nothing but oppose any attempt to do anything? Just sit on their hands? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/74 "2010-03-26T00:31:04Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > virtually rammed down the throats of the American people… Like some sort of wierd ectoplasmic penis? How very Hentai! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/75 "2010-03-26T00:45:09Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > I think it’s that way because the Democrats just virtually rammed down the throats of the American people a bill that many feel will ruin the country, and emotions are running hot. I don’t usually say this, but if you’re stupid enough believe this crap I will probably stop wasting my time discussing it with you. People were depicting Obama as a Nazi long before this bill was passed. Last summer, people were wandering around town halls discussing a health care reform bill with guns. The Tea Party movement got started on taxes, not health care - even though most of them don’t know Obama has cut taxes. If you pretend this phenomenon started this week with the health care bill, you’ll come to the misleading conclusions that people are just frustrated. Some of them are, but this has been going on for Obama’s whole term and before. > [@](#): > > Whether the bill was good or not is immaterial; people feel powerless, especially the way it was handled. These people felt powerless starting Jan. 20, 2009. It’s not about this bill. If you think this insanity just started this week, you’re clueless. Remember when somebody yelled “Kill him” [meaning Obama] when a vice presidential candidate said he was friends with a terrorist? Really, there’s a long history and a grand spectrum of partisan idiocy, but find me the Democratic candidate who said something like that about Cheney or Bush. > [@](#): > > What reason would anyone have to target GOP? If there are lunatics on both sides of the aisle - something we both concede - why is this only happening now? Which Democratic Senators and Congressmen were inciting this kind of thing during Bush’s terms? There were two wars and the USA PATRIOT Act wasn’t exactly popular. When did 10 Republican Congressmen get death threats? > [@](#): > > What power do they have? You know, this bill took 14 months to pass. Where were you? > [@](#): > > When you say ‘only right wingers’ are supporting throwing them out (ie killing or wounding or whatever) - you mean politicians? Or just crazies? There is increasingly no difference between the politicians and the crazies. And I notice you didn’t answer my question about the Tea Parties: if they’re dissatisfied with everyone, why isn’t MSNBC promoting them, and why don’t they have liberal Demcorats speaking? ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/76 "2010-03-26T01:07:59Z")
> [@lawoot](#): > > For anyone who HASN’T gone to the blog mentioned in the OP - here’s a sampling of what’s in it: > > Guy also claims > > Which is why he’s organizing an ARMED march on Washington DC, with loaded pistols and unloaded rifles: > > from the Dave Ross Show blog, from KIRO radio in Seattle: I’m sorry, but even if they do have 3 million people who are willing to take up arms (:rolleyes:), you can’t wage a revolution unless you have young, able-bodied people. The average age of Fox Viewers is, what, 65? What’s the average age of Tea Partiers? Conservatives in general? All of this talk of revolution and civil war is laughable coming from the same people who want the government to keep their hands off their Medicare. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/77 "2010-03-26T01:39:09Z")
Oh, and I’ll just toss in that just because one group of psycho loons blows something up somewhere, it doesn’t give you carte blanche to then blow something else up free of guilt just because “they did it first.” Nor does it allow you to justify such actions by others on the same grounds. Violence is violence regardless of who may have done what. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568/78 "2010-03-26T01:45:29Z")
[Time for Americans to Celebrate:](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/health-care-bill-back-house-vote-republican-challenges/story?id=10205547) > [@](#): > > The House of Representatives cleared the final hurdle in Congress’ overhaul of the nation’s health care system, passing a health care reconciliation bill by a 220-207 vote. ---
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“You thrust your pelvis----_hunh!_ You thrust your pelvis----_hunh!_ You thrust your pelvis----_hunh!_…” - Duckman ---
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Careful, Lucy. That pelvic thrust will really drive you insaaaaaane… And yeah, looks like that bullet was at the end of its journey. Reports say it broke the glass… but didn’t even penetrate the curtains behind the glass. That’s a dead bullet. Depending on what it was, it’d have to be a couple hundred yards away. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-terrorists-take-aim-at-health-care-reform/533568.md?page=5)