# Don Rumsfeld---\>Go FUCK yourself **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 24, 2004, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524 "2004-12-24T21:39:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![jacksen9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@jacksen9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jacksen9)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2004, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/41 "2004-12-25T22:20:00Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Gee, what if there was a COLD WAR going on at the time? > > You know what? I’ve got a picture of FDR sitting and having a nice chat with Stalin. They’re even joking! I take it you all hate FDR because of this, right? > > Not only that, but the United States ARMED the Soviet Union! Egad. FDR should have been shot for that, right? > > And by the way, if your argument is that the _realpolitik_ of the cold war was wrong, and the U.S. shouldn’t have supported dictators just because it was in their geopolitical interest to do so, then you should like the Bush doctrine, because he explicitly denounced that type of accomodation. The Bush doctrine says that U.S. policy is to foster democracy and oppose tyranny wherever it is found. I can remember a time when this was the rallying cry of the left. > > How times change. I don’t see this as an argument. I feel no real affinity for FDR. I think he pretty much sold out Eastern Europe. As for his buddying up to Stalin, looks like that was a colossal mistake. For the record, “rallying cries” scare the hell out of me, left or right. Regardless, the U.S. has some measure of blame in this mess. Whether it’s some official shaking hands with some murderer, or some president joking around with a muderer, you have to think that these policies have led us to where we are today. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2004, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/42 "2004-12-25T22:27:06Z")
> [@jacksen9](#): > > … you have to think that these policies have led us to where we are today. Nope, I can’t heaaaaaaaaaaaar you! La la la la la la! It’s everybody’s fault but ours. The United States is magick, and never did anything wrong. The United States is freedom and justice personified. The United States is purely good and its foreign policy is beyond reproach. The United States is hated because of our freedom. (there are not enough rolleyes in Universe) ---
**Author:** ![yBeayf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e274bd/32.png) [@yBeayf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yBeayf)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/43 "2004-12-26T02:30:23Z")
> [@](#): > > You know what? I’ve got a picture of FDR sitting and having a nice chat with Stalin. They’re even joking! I take it you all hate FDR because of this, right? Actually, yes. > [@](#): > > Not only that, but the United States ARMED the Soviet Union! Egad. FDR should have been shot for that, right? If he had been, it wouldn’t have bothered me much. I’d’ve shed no tear for that socialist motherfucker. I would only have hoped that whoever would have shot FDR would have taken out Stalin as well – two rats with one bullet and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/44 "2004-12-26T02:47:35Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Nope, I can’t heaaaaaaaaaaaar you! > La la la la la la! You must be feeling particularly retarded tonight, given your past few posts. Take a break. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/45 "2004-12-26T02:51:04Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > You must be feeling particularly retarded tonight, given your past few posts. Take a break. Awwww, does someone have a hardon for me? Dats so kuuuute! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/46 "2004-12-26T03:16:26Z")
Tell you the truth, **Finn** , “creepy” is the word that leaps to mind. Nothin’ personal, you understand, just sayin’ is all. ---
**Author:** ![LordVor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@LordVor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LordVor)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/47 "2004-12-26T05:07:35Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > I’ve got a picture of FDR sitting and having a nice chat with Stalin. Am I the only one who doesn’t remember when FDR invaded Russia and expected its people to welcome us as liberators? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/48 "2004-12-26T05:26:37Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Brutus > > You must be feeling particularly retarded tonight, given your past few posts. Take a break. > > Awwww, does someone have a hardon for me? > Dats so kuuuute! Naw, “cute” isn’t quite the word I’d use for [**Brutus**](http://www.wombat.echidna.id.au/animals/brutus1.htm). ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/49 "2004-12-26T05:49:08Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Naw, “cute” isn’t quite the word I’d use for [**Brutus**](http://www.wombat.echidna.id.au/animals/brutus1.htm). Hah, thank you for that. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/50 "2004-12-26T06:00:40Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Naw, “cute” isn’t quite the word I’d use for [**Brutus**](http://www.wombat.echidna.id.au/animals/brutus1.htm). A proud and noble beast. I agree, it doesn’t look ‘cute’ so much as ‘dignified’ and ‘reserved’. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/51 "2004-12-26T09:23:16Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > it doesn’t look ‘cute’ so much as ‘dignified’ and ‘reserved’. Damned thing’s _naked_. It needs a little stormtroopers uniform to achieve a look of reserved dignity. As is, Brutus is merely a sharp toothed, dusty rodent in need of frequent bathing. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/52 "2004-12-26T10:13:20Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Damned thing’s _naked_. It needs a little stormtroopers uniform to achieve a look of reserved dignity. As is, Brutus is merely a sharp toothed, dusty rodent in need of frequent bathing. :rolleyes: Stormtrooper uniforms [are obviously hideous](http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/mi006930/index.html), not dignified. Get decked out in [one of these,](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.rollins.edu/Foreign_Lang/Greek/euzon4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.rollins.edu/Foreign_Lang/Greek/euzon4.html&h=640&w=480&sz=35&tbnid=FdZPM3XPRCMJ:&tbnh=134&tbnw=101&start=53&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgreek%2Bguard%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN) however, and you will ooze dignity. ---
**Author:** ![MXR90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MXR90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MXR90)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/53 "2004-12-26T11:17:01Z")
> [@jacksen9](#): > > But what if “father” suspected or knew what “uncle Bob” was up to? What if “father” thought in his twisted mind that the raping and dismembering of your sister was the least worst possibility? What if you were asked to prove that father “knew it”. Nahh…you won’t be bothered with that nonsesne, right? Just run around like chicken little waving your arms and clucking conspiracy theories. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![jacksen9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@jacksen9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jacksen9)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/54 "2004-12-26T11:42:54Z")
> [@MXR90](#): > > What if you were asked to prove that father “knew it”. Nahh…you won’t be bothered with that nonsesne, right? Just run around like chicken little waving your arms and clucking conspiracy theories. :rolleyes: No conspiracy theory. The U.S. has in the recent past put up with more than a couple of unsavory characters because of the belief that there could be something worse. The running around and waving arms while clucking does sound like fun. I have to take a pass this time. Thanks though. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/55 "2004-12-26T12:28:05Z")
> [@Casdave](#): > > I also think that this viewpoint, > > Quote: > > Islamicists hate us for who we are, not the alleged grievances outlined in successive and always-metamorphosing loony fatwas… > > Betrays the author of the article for the stereotyping racist that he does not realise he actually is. Well, let’s face it. The Islamicist race is at least as kooky as the Jehovah’s Witness race. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/56 "2004-12-26T20:28:33Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Well, let’s face it. The Islamicist race is at least as kooky as the Jehovah’s Witness race. Point taken, however… While **race** _ism_ may not be the correct term, surely there has to be some term, perhaps a new one, to denote the attempt to make a ‘group’ fungible in order to demonize them? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/57 "2004-12-26T20:32:24Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Point taken, however… > While **race** _ism_ may not be the correct term, surely there has to be some term, perhaps a new one, to denote the attempt to make a ‘group’ fungible in order to demonize them? The term you are looking for is ‘liberal elitism’. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/58 "2004-12-26T20:47:23Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > > [@FinnAgain](#): > > > > Point taken, however… > > While raceism may not be the correct term, surely there has to be some term, perhaps a new one, to denote the attempt to make a ‘group’ fungible in order to demonize them? > > The term you are looking for is ‘liberal elitism’. [Isn’t it ironic?](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=irony) ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/59 "2004-12-26T21:01:44Z")
No Alanis, it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524/60 "2004-12-26T21:06:36Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > No Alanis, it isn’t. ~sighs~ Do you honestly not understand why ‘liberal elitism’ is an attempt to make a group fungible in order to demonize them? Or are you just being difficult? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/don-rumsfeld-go-fuck-yourself/281524.md?page=4)