# Donald Just Lost The Election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 16, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103 "2016-09-16T18:03:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/61 "2016-09-17T03:41:57Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Being born in Cleveland, I had a more exotic childhood than most. Ghoulardi…River on fire…Harvey Pekar. It was always thrilling, but no one ever questioned my one hundred per cent Americanism. Are you a black person with an ethnic name in a position of respect, power and authority? Stuff like that matters in these situations. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/62 "2016-09-17T03:42:47Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Trump obliquely invites violence against Clinton. > > He’ll say anything to stay in the headlines. I’m sure the Secret Service is thrilled with the potentially higher risk that would put her detail in. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/63 "2016-09-17T04:07:29Z")
Seems pretty clearly to be a gun control comment. “Hilary wants to keep her guns, but doesn’t want you to have any.” ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/64 "2016-09-17T04:11:31Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I’m sure the Secret Service is thrilled with the potentially higher risk that would put her detail in. Have you heard how SS agents are supposed to jump in front of a bullet. At this point I expect the ones following Trump will jump in the opposite direction, if it comes to it. ---
**Author:** ![Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pearl_Clutching_Provocateur)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/65 "2016-09-17T04:23:09Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > My hope is that high-profile African Americans - not just one or two but many - will come out in droves and troll this shit out of Donald Trump over this one. I mean, get people like Samuel L Jackson, Morgan Freeman, Ice Cube, Oprah, Lebron James…get all of them to come out and just say Trump is a sick, bigoted liar who doesn’t deserve a single African American vote. It’s risky, I know, because it can always backfire and celebrities don’t like to mix in politics too often for reasons that are understandable. But these are people who have had a history of political involvement, even if on the periphery, and I hope they do it now. I love how white liberals like to presume and expect how all Black people will feel about an issue. Maybe Black people want to see Obama’s birth certificate too. Has there been a poll? ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/66 "2016-09-17T04:33:25Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Seems pretty clearly to be a gun control comment. “Hilary wants to keep her guns, but doesn’t want you to have any.” Exactly. It is an accusation of hypocrisy, not a call to action. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/67 "2016-09-17T04:41:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Birtherism never had anything behind it but racism, _since there’s no other possible explanation_… :rolleyes: No other possible explanation, huh? Because no such questions were raised by any other President born to a Kenyan father and spend time outside the U.S. as a young boy? Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/68 "2016-09-17T04:55:45Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > :rolleyes: No other possible explanation, huh? Because no such questions were raised by any other President born to a Kenyan father and spend time outside the U.S. as a young boy? > > Sigh. Piffle. After it was explained with evidence how wrong the points from the birthers like Trump were years ago, the issue should had been dropped back then. Continuing **after** the proper explanations were made does point to something else as the reasons to continue the nonsense and Trump had to add another dumb and wrong talking point to try to hide his stupid reasoning. > **[Actually Accurate Headlines About Donald Trump's Birther Nonsense](https://www.wired.com/2016/09/actually-accurate-headlines-donald-trumps-birther-nonsense/)** > > In the age of push notifications, headlines matter more than ever. This morning, the press proved why. > [@](#): > > Donald Trump tried to magically mask his years of paranoid speculation about the whereabouts and authenticity of President Obama’s birth certificate today with a 23-word statement at his new hotel in Washington D.C. \*\*In it, he erroneously blamed the so-called “birther movement” on Hillary Clinton, and falsely claimed that he was the one who put those rumors to rest. > \*\* > “Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy,” he said. “I finished it. President Obama was born in the United States. Period.” > > No mention of the fact that after President Obama produced his birth certificate, Trump demanded to see his college records for verification. No mention of the fact that he insinuated that the State Health Director who verified the birth certificate was whacked to keep him quiet. \*\*And no mention of an apology for his role in spreading the birther suspicions, which were pretty darned racist and harmful. > \*\* > No matter. After Trump finished, the MSNBC chyron read “Trump: Obama Was Born in the U.S., Period.” The New York Times’ headline said the same. So did the A.P.‘s. > > Come again? > > As we’ve noted before, Trump has a habit of running his campaign like a Twitter feed, issuing constant updates, each one more absurd than the last, to push his most recent scandal farther down the feed. Who has time to talk about the Trump Foundation scandal when it’s Birther Day on CNN? But this tactic only works when the media takes Trump’s every utterance at face value. > > Did he finally admit President Obama was born in the US? Sure. But did he also lie and fail to apologize for starting that rumor while doing it? You betcha! ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/69 "2016-09-17T05:20:13Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Exactly. It is an accusation of hypocrisy, not a call to action. Unfortunately, it came out as a little of both. He calls it hypocrisy…and suggests that Clinton would come to harm because of it. He’s put that very same foot in his mouth before. ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/70 "2016-09-17T05:20:46Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > :rolleyes: No other possible explanation, huh? Because no such questions were raised by any other President born to a Kenyan father and spend time outside the U.S. as a young boy? > > Sigh. Obama publicly posted his Hawai’ian birth certificate on his campaign website in June 2008, and the State of Hawai’i issued the first of multiple statements verifying its authenticity that autumn. After those two events, what (reasonable) questions needed to be asked? As near as I’ve been able to tell, Donald Trump got involved in birtherism only AFTER the State of Hawai’i had verified they had Obama’s authentic birth certificate on file denoting his birth in Honolulu. At that point in time, what other possible explanation for the birther antics can you articulate? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/71 "2016-09-17T06:14:31Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > A lot of people are talking about how his hotels have hidden cameras in all the rooms so he can record the guests fucking, and then sell the tapes back to future guests on his porn channels. I don’t know, but a lot of very smart people are saying this. I think somebody should look into this. Clearly the sort of thing that demands a special prosecutor. Several. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/72 "2016-09-17T08:09:22Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > But the way I see it, Obama had an exotic upbringing, it was looked into (as it should have been) and that ends it. So why did Trump ever get involved? Obama released his birth certificate in 2008. Trump doesn’t appear to have started talking about it until 2010. There was nothing left to “look into” in 2010. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/73 "2016-09-17T11:17:20Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > … it seems to me that it has to do with the fact that he had a more exotic childhood than most. No? Most succinctly: “No.” Born to an American citizen and in the United States. His “exoticness” was his skin color and his name. And y’know, human nature being what it is I can even excuse a brief racist bit by some of this country … the pushing it with stories about investigators and onwards for years? That was beyond usual levels. Lying more along the way even as you try to walk it back? That is pure Trump. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/74 "2016-09-17T11:18:59Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > I love how white liberals like to presume and expect how all Black people will feel about an issue. Maybe Black people want to see Obama’s birth certificate too. **Has there been a poll?** Yes, the most important polls of all: 93 percent of the African American vote in 2012. The only poll that counts. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/75 "2016-09-17T11:27:21Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Being born in Cleveland, I had a more exotic childhood than most. Ghoulardi…River on fire…Harvey Pekar. It was always thrilling, but no one ever questioned my one hundred per cent Americanism. Many people say that Ohio is not a state. I’ve read it all over. Many, many people. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/76 "2016-09-17T11:42:46Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > :rolleyes: No other possible explanation, huh? Because no such questions were raised by any other President born to a Kenyan father and spend time outside the U.S. as a young boy? > > Sigh. Yes – after the birth certificate and all the other evidence was released in 2008, and journalists looked and found zero evidence he was born anywhere but Hawaii, there was no other possible explanation. What possible one is there, in your mind, considering that there was not a shred of reason to believe he was born anywhere else, once all that info was public in 2008? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/77 "2016-09-17T12:28:52Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Piffle. > > After it was explained with evidence how wrong the points from the birthers like Trump were years ago, the issue should had been dropped back then. > > Continuing **after** the proper explanations were made does point to something else as the reasons to continue the nonsense and Trump had to add another dumb and wrong talking point to try to hide his stupid reasoning. > > [Actually Accurate Headlines About Donald Trump's Birther Nonsense | WIRED](https://www.wired.com/2016/09/actually-accurate-headlines-donald-trumps-birther-nonsense/) Your site says he lied. About what? It also says that Trump started the rumor. That’s not true: [http://www.politico.com/story/2008/02/obama-slams-smear-photo-008667](http://www.politico.com/story/2008/02/obama-slams-smear-photo-008667) [http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article102354777.html](http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article102354777.html) Trump’s claim that the rumor started with the Clinton campaign is true. It also appears to be true that the campaign worker acted independently was promptly fired. But then there’s Sidney Blumenthal. He was not technically part of the campaign, but given their close relationship, to think that he acted without Clinton’s knowledge is difficult to believe. But the fact remains that Trump did not start this rumor. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/78 "2016-09-17T12:33:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes – after the birth certificate and all the other evidence was released in 2008, and journalists looked and found zero evidence he was born anywhere but Hawaii, there was no other possible explanation. What possible one is there, in your mind, considering that there was not a shred of reason to believe he was born anywhere else, once all that info was public in 2008? I never paid much attention to it, but I seem to recall that there was a particular form of the north certificate that Trump and others wanted to see, and that Obama refused to reveal it for quite some time. I see nothing wrong with wanting assurances that anyone holding the office—or any office—meets the eligibility requirements. Now anyone who is of the mind _today_ that Obama doesn’t meet the eligibility requirements seems to be just clinging on to some desperate nutty fantasy that Obama shouldn’t be in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/79 "2016-09-17T12:38:01Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I never paid much attention to it, but I seem to recall that there was a particular form of the north certificate that Trump and others wanted to see, and that Obama refused to reveal it for quite some time. I see nothing wrong with wanting assurances that anyone holding the office—or any office—meets the eligibility requirements. Now anyone who is of the mind _today_ that Obama doesn’t meet the eligibility requirements seems to be just clinging on to some desperate nutty fantasy that Obama shouldn’t be in the White House. He released the short form that he had in his possession. The long form is held by the State. _Only_ the State can release that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103/80 "2016-09-17T12:38:22Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I never paid much attention to it, but I seem to recall that there was a particular form of the north certificate that Trump and others wanted to see, and that Obama refused to reveal it for quite some time. He didn’t even have it. It was a state form that isn’t kept by individuals. He released all the information he had in 2008. It was not at all reasonable, in any way whatsoever, for anyone to believe that this information was not sufficient proof of his birthplace. In 2011, finally, the state of Hawaii agreed to release the long-form. But there was no reason for anyone to doubt the earlier forms, except for racism. > [@](#): > > I see nothing wrong with wanting assurances that anyone holding the office—or any office—meets the eligibility requirements. Now anyone who is of the mind _today_ that Obama doesn’t meet the eligibility requirements seems to be just clinging on to some desperate nutty fantasy that Obama shouldn’t be in the White House. There were plenty of such assurances in 2008. Every possible assurance. Again, there was not a single shred of evidence for any person to believe he was born anywhere else, and tons of evidence he was born in Hawaii. Trump was still a birther for many years after 2011, when the long-form was released. Why? Why did he continue pushing this bullshit, evidence-free racist crap for 5 years after 2011? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-just-lost-the-election/766103.md?page=5)