# Donald Trump accused of marital rape **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 28, 2015, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371 "2015-07-28T03:00:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/21 "2015-07-28T11:31:38Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > “Ivana Trump once accused the real estate tycoon of ‘rape,’ although she later clarified: not in the ‘criminal sense.’” If the events she described are accurate, I cannot possibly see how they don’t qualify as rape. This is a very fine hair you’re splitting here. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/22 "2015-07-28T11:34:09Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > What is wrong with you? This is despicable. I wondered about that but thought I was missing some particular form of sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/23 "2015-07-28T11:36:55Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > And, far more importantly, 'oo givee rat’s ass, if the victim was Ivana Trump? All good and decent Americans would like to see her raped **to death** on live national television – After reading this twice to make sure you meant what you wrote I’m still aghast anyone would put this out there. Don’t presume to speak for _‘us’_. Cohen sounds like perhaps an even bigger asshole than Trump. If that’s who he chooses to speak for him and afterwards does nothing to soften or clarify his remarks then he’s also got no business making choices on a Secretary of State, Defense, hell even a press secretary. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/24 "2015-07-28T11:44:52Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > If the events she described are accurate, I cannot possibly see how they don’t qualify as rape. This is a very fine hair you’re splitting here. If she was accurate when she said it wasn’t criminal then it’s not rape. That’s not a fine line. And since she cried rape and then said it wasn’t rape I wouldn’t believe anything else she said. I doubt anyone would be taking these claims seriously if they weren’t directed at an asshole like Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/25 "2015-07-28T12:27:13Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > If she was accurate when she said it wasn’t criminal then it’s not rape. That’s not a fine line. And since she cried rape and then said it wasn’t rape I wouldn’t believe anything else she said. I doubt anyone would be taking these claims seriously if they weren’t directed at an asshole like Trump. I don’t know why we’re willing to give her the authority of what “criminal rape” is. For all we know, she was under the same misunderstanding of the law as Trump’s lawyer, i.e., you can’t rape your spouse. If it’s “rape,” it’s “criminal.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/26 "2015-07-28T12:31:58Z")
Or it was rape but she was intimidated into recanting by that nice Mr Cohen. Or something else. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/27 "2015-07-28T12:54:43Z")
Back up a minute…Trump had\*\*\* plastic surgery \*\*\*on _ **his hair** _??? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/28 "2015-07-28T12:58:02Z")
Well, now we know who’s doing the raping, Don. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/29 "2015-07-28T13:17:17Z")
If anything about this story is true at all, and regardless of whether a criminal offense occurred (although at least simple assault on Ivana seems like it would have been a slam dunk if she had chosen to pursue it), these do not strike me as the actions of someone we would want having the authorities of a President. Of course, it’s not like I thought Mr. Trump was a prince among men before this came out. Nevertheless, I’m going to not vote for him even harder than I was not voting for him previously. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/30 "2015-07-28T13:43:16Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I don’t know why we’re willing to give her the authority of what “criminal rape” is. For all we know, she was under the same misunderstanding of the law as Trump’s lawyer, i.e., you can’t rape your spouse. If it’s “rape,” it’s “criminal.” For all we know she made it up to get leverage in her divorce settlement. This is an old story, previously dismissed. So far it is nothing but the words of an ex-spouse. It’s not like I think much of Trump, it wouldn’t surprise me if it was true, but I don’t think people are applying the same standard as they would with a candidate they liked. ---
**Author:** ![kittenblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ba8739/32.png) [@kittenblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kittenblue)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/31 "2015-07-28T13:47:05Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Back up a minute…Trump had\*\*\* plastic surgery \*\*\*on _ **his hair** _??? You need to watch more late-night tv ads about hair replacement surgery. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/32 "2015-07-28T13:48:25Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > For all we know she made it up to get leverage in her divorce settlement. This is an old story, previously dismissed. So far it is nothing but the words of an ex-spouse. It’s not like I think much of Trump, it wouldn’t surprise me if it was true, but I don’t think people are applying the same standard as they would with a candidate they liked. That’s probably true. Bill Clinton was certainly accused of a lot of terrible things. My point is only that it either happened or it didn’t. Her characterization of it as “not criminal” just carries no weight in my mind. If she wants to say it didn’t happen, or if he wants to say she’s lying, that’s fine. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/33 "2015-07-28T14:00:25Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > That’s probably true. Bill Clinton was certainly accused of a lot of terrible things. My point is only that it either happened or it didn’t. Her characterization of it as “not criminal” just carries no weight in my mind. If she wants to say it didn’t happen, or if he wants to say she’s lying, that’s fine. She’s had plenty of time to come out and say it really was rape. And I’ll go with it happened or it didn’t, and I don’t see anything that tells me it actually happened, or didn’t, so I won’t assume it did. I’m not voting for the guy anyway so I don’t need this story to help me make that decision. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/34 "2015-07-28T15:13:36Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > If she was accurate when she said it wasn’t criminal then it’s not rape. That’s not a fine line. And since she cried rape and then said it wasn’t rape I wouldn’t believe anything else she said. I doubt anyone would be taking these claims seriously if they weren’t directed at an asshole like Trump. She said it _was_ rape while she was under oath, and I wouldn’t doubt that she later said it wasn’t because she was worried he might sue her. Anyway, we’d definitely be taking rape claims seriously regardless of which candidate they were about. Mark Sanford and any number of other pols lost their careers because of _consensual_ sex. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/35 "2015-07-28T15:24:02Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > And, far more importantly, 'oo givee rat’s ass, if the victim was Ivana Trump? All good and decent Americans would like to see her raped **to death** on live national television – then again, all good and decent Americans would like to see the exact same thing only worse happen to The Donald himself. I’d like a [word](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=763568). ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/36 "2015-07-28T15:24:29Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > For all we know she made it up to get leverage in her divorce settlement. No. Trump isn’t denying the story. He (and his lawyer) are just saying it doesn’t qualify as rape. Ivana eventually claimed she just meant that Trump didn’t treat her with the usual tenderness that he showed. But the facts of what happened, as described in the book, _Last Tycoon_, are not in dispute. I’m going to quote that passage again, as described in the Daily Beast, since you seemed to have missed it. > [@](#): > > After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot, Donald Trump confronted his then-wife, who had previously used the same plastic surgeon. > > “Your fucking doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried. > > What followed was a “violent assault,” according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants. > > “Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months. Ivana is terrified…It is a violent assault,” Hurt writes. “According to versions she repeats to some of her closest confidantes, ‘he raped me.’” > > Following the incident, Ivana ran upstairs, hid behind a locked door, and remained there “crying for the rest of night.” When she returned to the master bedroom in the morning, he was there. > > “You’re talking about the front-runner for the GOP, presidential candidate, as well as private individual who never raped anybody. And, of course, understand that by the very definition, you can’t rape your spouse.” > > “As she looks in horror at the ripped-out hair scattered all over the bed, he glares at her and asks with menacing casualness: ‘Does it hurt?’” Hurt writes. That’s rape, no matter what the rapist and his lawyer want to call it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/37 "2015-07-28T15:42:05Z")
> **[Trump’s Ex-Wife Defends Him After 1989 Sex Assault Allegations Resurface](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ivana-trump-donald-sex-assault)** > > Donald Trump's ex-wife, Ivana Trump, came to his defense on Tuesday after The Daily Beast resurfaced a decades-old deposition in which she reportedly accused the billionaire real estate mogul of… By way of _Talking Points Memo_, Ivana says no. > [@](#): > > …Ivana told ABC News that the Daily Beast report was “without merit.”… ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/38 "2015-07-28T15:59:48Z")
I see. Well, ok. It sounds like Ivana actually is saying it didn’t happen? Here’s her statement from ABC - > [@](#): > > “I have recently read some comments attributed to me from nearly 30 years ago at a time of very high tension during my divorce from Donald. The story is totally without merit. Donald and I are the best of friends and together have raised 3 children that we love and are very proud of. I have nothing but fondness for Donald and wish him the best of luck on his campaign. Incidentally, I think he would make an incredible president.” So the statements attributed to her are without merit? Is she saying she lied under oath? Or just repeating that he raped her, but he didn’t rape-rape her? I guess if she’s not going to stand by the story, I can’t either. Link (scroll down) - [The Note: Mike Huckabee Steals The Spotlight From Trump - ABC News](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/note-mike-huckabee-steals-spotlight-trump/story?id=32729976) ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/39 "2015-07-28T16:05:46Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > I see. Well, ok. It sounds like Ivana actually is saying it didn’t happen? > > Here’s her statement from ABC - > > So the statements attributed to her are without merit? Is she saying she lied under oath? Or just repeating that he raped her, but he didn’t rape-rape her? > > I guess if she’s not going to stand by the story, I can’t either. > Link (scroll down) - [The Note: Mike Huckabee Steals The Spotlight From Trump - ABC News](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/note-mike-huckabee-steals-spotlight-trump/story?id=32729976) We can only guess at this point, it really wouldn’t surprise me if her original story was true and it was simply more beneficial to drop it than pursue it. But yeah, if the victim is retracting her story there is no point in pushing this. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371/40 "2015-07-28T16:27:17Z")
Trump raping over bad hair replacement? I don’t know whether this was true or not, but that scene Merneith quoted from the book reads like bad satire written by the ghost of Hunter S. Thompson. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-accused-of-marital-rape/726371.md?page=3)