# Donald Trump and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 3, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196 "2024-08-03T16:49:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/421 "2024-09-29T00:46:13Z")
Sanewashing in action… Trump: “Disgusting illegal alien who was let into the United States by Kamala and her lax law-- she, they, every one of my killer – we had the, she had the, he had the, he would’ve never been able to get in. She stopped every single one of them” The media: " Trump addressed Harris’ remarks at the border, accusing her of lying about promises she made. “She’s been there almost four years. Why didn’t you do anything,” he asked." [https://www.axios.com/2024/09/28/trump-immigration-rally-wisconsin-harris-border-visit?utm\_medium=social&utm\_source=twitter&utm\_campaign=editorial](https://www.axios.com/2024/09/28/trump-immigration-rally-wisconsin-harris-border-visit?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=editorial) > ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/422 "2024-09-29T00:55:48Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Trump: “Disgusting illegal alien who was let into the United States by Kamala and her lax law-- she, they, every one of my killer – we had the, she had the, he had the, he would’ve never been able to get in. She stopped every single one of them” > > The media: " Trump addressed Harris’ remarks at the border, accusing her of lying about promises she made. “She’s been there almost four years. Why didn’t you do anything,” he asked." The sanewashing is getting out of control ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/423 "2024-09-29T01:57:44Z")
100% Report on what he actually said. Don’t interpret (sane wash). He’s spewing incompetent word salad. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/424 "2024-09-30T10:34:39Z")
Trump has decent support among Latinos, which should astonish me, but doesn’t. Harris’ campaign needs to contact more a lot more people. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/425 "2024-09-30T11:16:13Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Trump has decent support among Latinos, which should astonish me, but doesn’t. A guest expert on a 538 podcast a couple years ago explained it well: many Latinos these days live in small towns and even rural areas of states like North Carolina and Wisconsin. They’ve absorbed their cultural milieu. They hang out in bars that show Fox News, drive pickups, and generally live the life of a white Trumpy dipshit. It makes sense that many of them would take on that identity (but still respond to pollsters as “Latino” or “Hispanic”). ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/426 "2024-09-30T11:28:40Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > many Latinos these days live in small towns and even rural areas of states like North Carolina and Wisconsin I don’t necessarily mean to paint with a broad brush, but around here at least, the vast majority of Latinos are Catholic. And that means they are also anti-abortion. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/427 "2024-09-30T11:37:46Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > I don’t necessarily mean to paint with a broad brush, but around here at least, the vast majority of Latinos are Catholic. And that means they are also anti-abortion. Yes, that’s a factor as well. And that many tend to be “conservative” in the “pro-family-value” sense (meaning, favoring in theory if not in practice a traditional, patriarchal family structure, including traditional genders). A generalization, for sure, but it does help explain some of the voting patterns. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/428 "2024-09-30T11:55:30Z")
That all makes sense intellectually. It’s just emotionally it still puzzles me. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/429 "2024-09-30T12:46:38Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > the vast majority of Latinos are Catholic. And that means they are also anti-abortion. [6 in 10 Catholics support abortion rights.](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/12/1244156165/abortion-catholics-pope-francis-church-pew-research) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/430 "2024-09-30T14:33:11Z")
And specific to Latinos, Catholic and Protestants both: > **[Most Hispanic Americans support abortion access: AP-NORC poll](https://apnews.com/article/hispanic-americans-election-2024-abortion-trump-harris-3fcad2d82d2e1a1d7e0e415720337124)** > > For decades, some political analysts have sought to depict Hispanic Americans as “socially conservative” — and indeed many of them are. > Around 6 in 10 Hispanic Protestants and about two-thirds of Hispanic Catholics say abortion should be legal in all or most cases. A similar share think Congress should pass a law guaranteeing access to legal abortions nationwide. That said I suspect that those who are against Choice are often very against. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/431 "2024-09-30T18:23:43Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Around 6 in 10 Hispanic Protestants and about two-thirds of Hispanic Catholics say abortion should be legal in all or most cases. Which is right in line with the Latino support for Trump, which is at 40%, according to this Yahoo link. [Harris edge over Trump among Latino voters smallest in recent cycles: Survey (yahoo.com)](https://www.yahoo.com/news/harris-edge-over-trump-among-144316607.html) ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/432 "2024-09-30T19:47:47Z")
Not a scientific poll but many of the Hispanic/latino population I know are very strict on the border. Their feeling is that they had to jump through hoops to get here legally and resent those who come illegally. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/433 "2024-09-30T20:26:18Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > I don’t necessarily mean to paint with a broad brush, but around here at least, the vast majority of Latinos are Catholic. And that means they are also anti-abortion. There’s anti-abortion and then there’s the _ban all abortions even if it to save the life of the Mother, or rape, etc nonsense._ I have a couple catholic friends, and they dont like abortion, sure, but making a 12 yo raped girl come to full term makes them angry. They also dont have any issue with the morning after pill. But they really do not like 'abortion on demand" as they call it. They said if the law changed to allow abortion only in the first trimester or for special circumstances, they’d be okay with that. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/434 "2024-09-30T23:03:45Z")
Trump: Biden refuses to call the governor of Georgia The governor of Georgia: Biden and I have talked extensively CNN: Trump is bringing a message of unity > **['Just put on a red hat': CNN segment on latest Trump tactic spurs...](https://www.rawstory.com/cnn-trump-georgia/)** > > A CNN correspondent faced criticism of "sanewashing" Monday as she reported on former President Donald Trump's controversial decision to campaign in regions of Georgia devastated by Hurricane Helene. Reporter Kristen Holmes on Monday detailed Trump's... ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/435 "2024-09-30T23:18:45Z")
Overall, what’s the sense of voter enthusiasm on the Republican side? Everyone’s saying that the election will depend on turnout, and for all the hate and fear the right stokes, the fact remains that this is Trump’s third presidential campaign in a row, and I can’t see that affecting turnout positively. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/436 "2024-09-30T23:19:01Z")
That is a really sad, pathetic picture of Donnie with the Raw Story article. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/437 "2024-09-30T23:30:29Z")
It’s a photo that screams, “Grandpa needs a nap.” [![](https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/rick-wilson-co-founder-of-the-anti-maga-group-the-lincoln-project-shredded-said-his-group-will-do-everything-it-can-to-prevent.png?id=52680121&width=1200&height=654) ](https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/rick-wilson-co-founder-of-the-anti-maga-group-the-lincoln-project-shredded-said-his-group-will-do-everything-it-can-to-prevent.png?id=52680121&width=1200&height=654) ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/438 "2024-10-01T00:59:02Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > They hang out in bars that show Fox News, drive pickups, and generally live the life of a white Trumpy dipshit. It makes sense that many of them would take on that identity (but still respond to pollsters as “Latino” or “Hispanic”). > [@JKellyMap](#): > > And that many tend to be “conservative” in the “pro-family-value” sense (meaning, favoring in theory if not in practice a traditional, patriarchal family structure, including traditional genders). A generalization, for sure, but it does help explain some of the voting patterns. Yep, that does affect a lot of different segments of our demographic (for sure it’s hugely nonhomogeneous). Also, for many of them, as for many of the other Trump supporters, the whole “liberal society” thing is not _really_ what’s great about America, and from their POV a strong country needs a _macho_ leader who keeps and settles scores and puts people in their place. Especially IME many of the immigrant cohort did **not** come here longing for the lofty ideals of liberal democracy. They were thinking about food on the table and their kids not being killed by gangs so they are receptive to messages about an expensive economy and street crime. > [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > That all makes sense intellectually. It’s just emotionally it still puzzles me. Because you and they do not share a common baseline for understanding the “why”. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/439 "2024-10-01T01:52:05Z")
From an earlier post: > [@](#): > > Around 6 in 10 Hispanic Protestants and about two-thirds of Hispanic Catholics say abortion should be legal in all or most cases Legal doesn’t mean withholding moral judgment. I wonder if some of the legal in “most cases” voters dislike seeing pro-choice advertisements, and might blame Harris for pushing too hard. Then, I read somewhere that Trump’s ads regarding trans women in sports, and sex reassignment surgery for prisoners, will similarly backfire. If you aren’t comfortable with all that, you may therefore be bothered over hearing about it in your living room. Trump would be blamed for bringing it up, even if the voter agrees with DJT on the specific issues. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/440 "2024-10-01T16:49:43Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Legal doesn’t mean withholding moral judgment. While technically true, for the vast majority of voters there is no difference. The reason for making it legal or illegal is based on a moral stance. Those who want it legal believe it’s a moral right for women to have bodily autonomy, and those who want it illegal think it’s morally wrong to terminate a pregnancy. While I’m sure exceptions exist, they would be rare. That is why this is such a charged issue for both sides and has been for decades; it’s tied into people’s moral belief systems and is more than just a simple political disagreement. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196.md?page=23)