# Donald Trump and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 3, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196 "2024-08-03T16:49:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/661 "2024-10-23T21:01:12Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > From what I understand, these weren’t rogue cops who were sympathetic to the protestors and trying to enable them, they were following orders from superiors. The fact that they were following orders in general is a problem in itself, but it went beyond that. There were several instances of police on the scene simply refusing to enforce even the laws they’d been allowed to enforce. > **[In Ottawa, we’re now fighting the ‘Freedom convoy’ — because police have...](https://www.thestar.com/opinion/in-ottawa-we-re-now-fighting-the-freedom-convoy-because-police-have-failed-to/article_0ad8582b-f62e-5b7c-8ede-77e0744dc5a8.html?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2t6S_quliQMViE7_AR1DfgK4EAMYASAAEgLUz_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)** > > Residents took to the streets this weekend in counter protests > Police have spent their days threatening to enforce laws and then standing politely aside as the “Freedom Convoy” makes them look silly. > > They announced that they would cut off the fuel resupply of trucks downtown, but when guys wheeled in jerry cans and said it’s just drinking water, that was just fine, thank you. > And in the face of all of this, with our police waving the trucks and fuel along and posing for souvenir photos with drivers, it is the ordinary citizens of Ottawa who took to the streets and put their bodies in front of truck convoys Sunday as police told them not to. And then there’s this: > **[Freedom Convoy lawyer says police gave protesters a ‘steady stream’ of...](https://www.castlegarnews.com/news/freedom-convoy-lawyer-says-police-gave-protesters-a-steady-stream-of-information-4754876)** > > ‘Freedom Convoy’ lawyer encouraged protest to continue after Emergencies Act invoked > A lawyer representing some organizers of the “Freedom Convoy” says police were regularly leaking operational plans and other information to protesters in Ottawa during last winter’s demonstrations. There were a lot of local reports of police tacitly helping them out as well, but not much of that made it into the news. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/662 "2024-10-23T22:13:59Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Screenshot what?? Screenshot the guy’s prediction, the assumption being that Biden’s goon squad is about to kick down his door and make him disappear. However, this Jack Poso person has forgotten that Trump is the gift that keeps on giving. Making up some crazy shit and pretending Trump said it is just bringing sand to the beach. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/663 "2024-10-23T22:41:38Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > However, this Jack Poso person You may remember him from such harebrained stunts as crashing a Shakespeare play for being anti-Trump, promoting Pizzagate, and more recently falsely accusing Tim Walz of being a pedophile. > **[Jack Posobiec](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec)** > > Jack Michael Posobiec III (/pəˈsoʊbɪk/ pə-SOH-bik; born December 14, 1984) is an American alt-right political activist, television correspondent and presenter, conspiracy theorist, and former United States Navy intelligence officer. > Posobiec is known for his pro-Donald Trump comments on Twitter, and has used white supremacist and antisemitic symbols and talking points, including the white genocide conspiracy theory. He has promoted fake news, including the debunked Pizzagate conspiracy theory... ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/664 "2024-10-24T00:06:55Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > the assumption being that Biden’s goon squad is about to kick down his door and make him disappear. No, the assumption is that the Harris campaign will create a deepfake video of Trump saying something so extreme it will actually move the needle on what MAGAs will tolerate (a threshold that I don’t personally thin even exists). ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/665 "2024-10-24T00:25:06Z")
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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/666 "2024-10-24T00:32:31Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > No, the assumption is that the Harris campaign will create a deepfake video of Trump saying something so extreme it will actually move the needle on what MAGAs will tolerate (a threshold that I don’t personally thin even exists). Well, maybe not the MAGAs, but using the N-word, making the Nazi salute, and/or swearing to end social security. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/667 "2024-10-24T01:20:46Z")
Fair points. I honestly don’t think giving the Nazi salute would make one iota of difference - the media has been flooded with eye witnesses from inside the Trump admin about how much Trump admires Hitler, wants generals like Hitler’s generals (hilarious, since they all tried to murder him a bunch of times), etc., and it just seems to be falling on deaf ears (or not falling on any ears, since Fox News doesn’t touch that story line). Threatening social security could, but I don’t really think the people currently voting for him would believe it. Using the n-word would be the most detrimental. He’s done better with African American votes than previous Republicans - he’d lose some of those votes, and it would spur more GOTV for that demographic. Maybe if there was tape of him making fun of MAGAs and how they’re all a bunch of gullible morons? He’d have to really ramp up the cruelty and offensiveness. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/668 "2024-10-24T02:06:01Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Maybe if there was tape of him making fun of MAGAs and how they’re all a bunch of gullible morons? In a time of crisis, who else could rally the people like Lonesome Rhodes? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/669 "2024-10-24T02:26:25Z")
Honestly, I can think of exactly one thing that would definitely turn the cult against Trump; A dick pic. Maga, like most fascist movements throughout history, is OBSESSED with superficial, performative masculinity, and the idealized image of the Perfect Man as strong, muscular, and above all virile. Trump gets a pass on most of that because he’s not of an age where one is expected to perform feats of athleticism, and he’s able to hide behind his self-created image as an amazing golfer and the hagiographic AI-generated photos his fans make of him, but if, as Stormy Daniels and E. Jean Carroll tell us, he does in fact have a gross little baby dick, and there were incontrovertible photographic proof of it, it would destroy his image as an Alpha Male and the Andrew Tates and Alex Joneses and Elon Musks and Joe Rogans of the world would ditch him as the pathetic little beta boy he is. I really hope I don’t have to be proven right on this one. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/670 "2024-10-24T02:34:41Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Honestly, I can think of exactly one thing that would definitely turn the cult against Trump; > > A dick pic. Hard to disagree for that! Or anything else connected with sex. Trying to think what would turn his supporters against him — endorsement of Harris for sure. Trying to get slightly more plausible, pledging to give Alaska back to Russia would be a problem. New sex allegations, of any kind, with or without photos, will be perceived as lies by Trump supporters and unfair by those still undecided. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/671 "2024-10-24T02:42:20Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Or anything else connected with sex. With a man. They don’t care about the ones that have occurred with women so I doubt the news @Smapti just posted about him groping yet another woman matters an iota. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/672 "2024-10-24T02:42:52Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Using the n-word would be the most detrimental. It would be detrimental in terms of legitimating use of the word. [John McWhorter](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/06/opinion/n-word-trump.html?ogrp=dpl&unlocked_article_code=1.Uk4.ViQl.501CheLPZclf&smid=url-share) > [@](#): > > Last week one of the show’s producers, his nondisclosure agreement having expired, [recounted one instance](https://slate.com/culture/2024/05/donald-trump-news-2024-trial-verdict-apprentice.html) in extensive detail. His account seems highly credible . . . > > A recording, should one ever emerge, would reveal that as one more of his lies. > > But it wouldn’t actually change anything. Nor does the recent round of details. For one thing, we have already heard Mr. Trump say a great many racially dismissive things — about Mexican rapists and immigrants from [“shithole countries,”](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/07/us/politics/trump-immigrants-nice-countries.html) among others. This word burns, but so do all the others. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/673 "2024-10-24T02:52:38Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > > > Or anything else connected with sex. > > With a man. Roy Cohn? No! If he admits it, claims about his intolerance lose power. If he denies it, he’s the victim. And, either way, Harris’s closing arguments will get ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/674 "2024-10-24T03:28:03Z")
The rumors of a big breaking story have been flying around all day. 1. It may involve Trump groping the underaged daughter of a donor at a campaign event. 2. There may be video 3. Reporter Mark Halperin may be involved in breaking the story. I don’t think it’ll move the needle much, the Trump campaign will lie and scream fake news and Fox will refuse to cover it. Anyway, Michael Cohen wrote about Trump ogling and making sexual remarks about his then 15 year old daughter and no one noticed or cared. Now, if the campaign donor responded by giving his underaged daughter to Trump for the night and there’s physical evidence, MAYBE that would be a story that might move the needle. Probably not, though. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/675 "2024-10-24T03:28:49Z")
Nah, it’s all just locker room talk. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/676 "2024-10-24T03:29:40Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I don’t think it’ll move the needle much, the Trump campaign will lie and scream fake news and Fox will refuse to cover it. I think that this is the crux of it. Any story that one could possibly imagine, that in a normal world would doom a candidate, simply won’t do it in the case of Trump: he and his fans will simply cry, “fake news!”, insist that it’s AI-fueled dirty tricks by the other side, and it won’t cost him any support. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/677 "2024-10-24T03:31:44Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Now, if the campaign donor responded by giving his underaged daughter to Trump for the night and there’s physical evidence, MAYBE that would be a story that might move the needle. With a paternity test, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/678 "2024-10-24T03:39:38Z")
Honestly, I don’t think it would cost him support even if the evidence of him groping an underage girl was irrefutable. (Well, for certain values of underage.) His supporters see the Access Hollywood tape, the porn star banging, the multiple sexual assault allegations as evidence of Trump’s virility. They don’t exactly like the conduct, but it’s just what you have to accept from someone as forceful and manly as him. The most damaging thing that could happen to him would be video of him admitting he couldn’t maintain an erection. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/679 "2024-10-24T03:44:02Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > His supporters see the Access Hollywood tape, the porn star banging, the multiple sexual assault allegations as evidence of Trump’s virility. They don’t exactly like the conduct, but it’s just what you have to accept from someone as forceful and manly as him. The most damaging thing that could happen to him would be video of him admitting he couldn’t maintain an erection. Which is why I say a dick pic is the one thing that would demolish his cult of personality. While I am certainly not advocating violence or saying that some patriotic American should pull down Trump’s pants onstage and reveal his shriveled penis and balls to the world, it would certainly be a net positive if his pants were to spontaneously betray him and fall down on their own volition. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/680 "2024-10-24T03:47:06Z")
This reminds me of that Louisiana governor who said to reporters: [“The only way I can lose this election is if I’m caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy.”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Edwards) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196.md?page=35)