# Donald Trump and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 3, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196 "2024-08-03T16:49:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/741 "2024-10-28T01:44:45Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Trump may not be aware, but I believe that the Stephen Miller wing had a hand in this. Miller was one of the speakers today. Living out a childhood dream, I assume. > ---
**Author:** ![Everlong88](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/everlong88/32/17800_2.png) [@Everlong88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Everlong88)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/742 "2024-10-28T01:56:13Z")
I’m not defending it, but the guy talking about Puerto Rico is professional stand-up comedian Tony Hinchcliffe, he’s doing material, not that it was very funny. I’m not sure that will impact the election much if any. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/743 "2024-10-28T02:07:58Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Miller was one of the speakers today. Living out a childhood dream, I assume. I would think his childhood dream involves trains, barbed wire and Poland. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/744 "2024-10-28T02:18:04Z")
I watched most of the Trump MSG rally. I’m really looking forward to Leni Riensthahl’s film about it. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/745 "2024-10-28T02:30:25Z")
> [@Everlong88](#): > > I’m not defending it, but the guy talking about Puerto Rico is professional stand-up comedian Tony Hinchcliffe, he’s doing material, not that it was very funny. And they knew exactly what they were doing when they booked him. > It’s worth noting that “Puerto Rico” is currently the #1 trend on Twitter in the US, and these days you have to move heaven and earth for ANYTHING that isn’t sports-related to trend. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/746 "2024-10-28T02:58:42Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > There are 1.2 million Puerto Ricans living in Florida. You know another state with a big Puerto Rican population? Not as big as New York or Florida but sizable. [PENNSYLVANIA](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/26/nx-s1-5124621/latinos-pennsylvania-election-trump-harris). > [@](#): > > “You know, it’s clear the Latino vote of Pennsylvania is going to determine who wins this election,” he said. > > According to some estimates, there are [roughly 580,000](https://latino.ucla.edu/press/new-ucla-lppi-data-brief-shows-nearly-580000-latino-voters-in-pennsylvania-could-sway-2024-election/) Latinos who will be eligible to vote in this year’s presidential election. That’s about seven times President Biden’s margin of victory in the state in 2020. > > And that means even a fraction of this swing state’s Latino voters could be decisive in what’s expected to be a close election between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump. > > ### The Puerto Rican vote > > One positive for Democrats: The overwhelming majority of Pennsylvania’s Latino population is Puerto Rican, according to Rodrigo Dominguez-Villegas, the director of research at UCLA’s Latino Policy and Politics Institute. Yes they already lean D but still … dayum … that sort of racist crap at a high profile Trump rally, it will be heard and help motivate some turnout against him. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/747 "2024-10-28T03:12:01Z")
> [@Everlong88](#): > > I’m not defending it, but the guy talking about Puerto Rico is professional stand-up comedian Tony Hinchcliffe, he’s doing material, not that it was very funny. They’ve been doing that sort of “it’s totally a joke” dogwhistle nonsense for decades by now. It’s not. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/748 "2024-10-28T03:27:01Z")
I have not been looking at a lot of media but the Trump supporters are motivated. I have heard comments about this rally like “This is what joy looks like” and “It’s like the convention 2.0”. I don’t know how many new voters they’ll get but I think they are trying to motivate the base and I am afraid that it will help turnout. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/749 "2024-10-28T03:35:39Z")
The MAGA base will be out no matter what. That he can count on. The base doesn’t get him to 46 or 47% plus of the vote on their own. This extreme hatemongering, one hopes, drives the less sure turnout of the D base up, and gets a few meh Trump leaners to sit it out. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/750 "2024-10-28T03:38:28Z")
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**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/751 "2024-10-28T03:51:39Z")
Ghouliani at MSG doing everything he can to turn out Arab voters…for Harris. > “She wants to bring [Palestinians] to you,” Giuliani continued. “They may have good people. I’m sorry I don’t take a risk with people who are taught to kill Americans at two.” > **["Terrorists": Giuliani claims Palestinian toddlers are trained to kill...](https://www.salon.com/2024/10/27/terrorists-giuliani-claims-palestinian-are-trained-to-americans-at-msg-rally/)** > > The former mayor of New York City said that two-year-olds are trained to kill during a speech at Trump's MSG rally ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/752 "2024-10-28T04:08:41Z")
The racist shit is even getting covered by Fox. > **[Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally stirs outrage with offensive, racist...](https://www.livenowfox.com/news/trump-nyc-rally-closing-argument.amp)** > > Donald Trump’s final rally in New York City featured high-profile speakers and controversial statements as he made his closing argument with Election Day nearing. > “I don’t know if you guys know this, but there’s literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. I think it’s called Puerto Rico,” said comedian Tony Hinchcliffe, whose comment was swiftly condemned by Harris’ campaign as it competes with Trump to win Puerto Rican communities in Pennsylvania and other swing states. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/753 "2024-10-28T04:10:43Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Gift link: Thanks- from that “As we’ve reported all cycle, Mr. Trump has made important gains among Black, Hispanic and younger voters .” After trumps really nasty racist remarks > [@Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/2052): > > Biden is still her boss, and Harris deeply respects him. They just want her to criticize hm in public, which she is unwilling to do and really shouldn’t do. I cant remember Veeps going strong on criticizing their president while running for that job. Did Gore say bad stuff about Bill Clinton? Yep. I concur. [Tony Hinchcliff Calls Puerto Rico 'Garbage' at Trump Rally](https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-nyc-rally-speaker-jokes-about-black-people-carving-watermelons-and-puerto-rico-being-a-floating-pile-of-garbage/amp) Ohmygawd. I said one of the few things trump could do that would turn his current voters against him was “using the … _"It’s wild. And these Latinos, they love making babies, too, just know that. They do, they do. There’s no pulling out. They don’t do that. They come inside, just like they did to our country…_ _He then pointed to a man in the audience and went with what seemed like an off-the-cuff “joke.”_ _“That’s cool, a Black guy with a thing on his head. What the hell is that, a lamp shade? Look at this guy! Oh, my goodness. Wow! I’m just kidding, that’s one of my buddies. We had a Halloween party last night. We had fun — we carved watermelons together. It was awesome!”_ That may be gone, and honestly, I no longer trust the NYT. > [@RickJay](#): > > It didn’t change your vote. Well, we cant vote for Harris any harder, now can we? > [@Smapti](#): > > There are 1.2 million Puerto Ricans living in Florida. > > In 2020, Trump won the state by a margin of 371,000. > > We’ll see about that. Also 8 million Latinos, which he just insulted. Not to mention some polls have seen trump ahead there only by the margin of error. And abortion + pot is on the ballot. Florida is in play. _Not likely- but possible._ > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Ghouliani at MSG doing everything he can to turn out Arab voters…for Harris. Nice nickname. We play a lot of D&D and we are in agreement hs is now some sort of undead. We just cant figure out which kind. 🤪 Has anyone tried holy water? 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/754 "2024-10-28T04:12:46Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Has anyone tried holy water? 🤪 It just makes his hair dye run. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/755 "2024-10-28T04:34:35Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Thanks- from that “As we’ve reported all cycle, Mr. Trump has made important gains among Black, Hispanic and younger voters .” > > After trumps really nasty racist remarks That sort of thing is why such Republican gains among minorities never last long. They are deeply, genuinely racist and consistently alienate non-white people who might otherwise vote for them. So the prediction of the Republicans gaining major support among socially conservative minorities never really comes to fruition, despite being perennially predicted for decades now. Not sure how much immediate good it’ll do with such a short time before election, though. But if he loses I expect in a few years people will be looking around wondering where the predicted upswell of non-white support for the Republicans went. Again. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/756 "2024-10-28T04:47:38Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > That sort of thing is why such Republican gains among minorities never last long. They are deeply, genuinely racist and consistently alienate non-white people who might otherwise vote for them. Yep. for example in Texas, hispanics who were born here of parents who entered legally, are unhappy with “illegal immigrants”. But then trump will tar them with the same brush he does all latinos and that support vanishes. If MAGAs could just restrain themselves with bashing “illegals” it could work- but being bigots, they cant. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/757 "2024-10-28T09:16:00Z")
This “everything Trump says helps Trump no matter what” maximal view is just ridiculous. Yes, Trump has upended decades of “normal” political assumptions. But he can still screw up. He’s not invincible. He’s been beaten before and he might still be beaten again. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/758 "2024-10-28T13:00:24Z")
Thank you for this post. I hope it’s okay that I quoted parts of it (with credit to you) in my Facebook feed. I’m not as confident as you that this will turn off enough voters to make the difference, but it just might. (Obviously, it _should_.) ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/759 "2024-10-28T13:41:11Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yep. for example in Texas, hispanics who were born here of parents who entered legally, are unhappy with “illegal immigrants”. But then trump will tar them with the same brush he does all latinos and that support vanishes. If MAGAs could just restrain themselves with bashing “illegals” it could work- but being bigots, they cant. Trump improved significantly among Latinos in Texas from 2016 to 2020, in spite of all his rhetoric and four years of putting it into practice. Biden carried Texas Hispanic voters in 2020, but by 17 percentage points fewer than Clinton did in 2016. There was an enormous amount of handwringing among Texas Democrats after 2020 about the progress Trump and Republicans made in South Texas, and there’s little evidence that tide has ebbed in the years since. Republicans don’t need to “win” Latinos or other minority groups, they just need to improve their margins. At least in South Texas, they have been successful in doing so by focusing on issues such as oil and gas policies and abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/760 "2024-10-28T14:20:26Z")
I agree with Trump and Republicans about one thing. We do have an “enemy within.” It’s Republican voters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196.md?page=39)