# Donald Trump and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 3, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196 "2024-08-03T16:49:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/781 "2024-10-29T13:38:16Z")
[Trump’s deportation plans worry families with relatives in US illegally - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trumps-deportation-plans-worry-families-relatives-us-illegally-115187764) this morning on cnn, while discussing what was said at the garden, the interviewee said to look at the policies. that the mass deportations are more worrisome than the insults. that the plan trump and his 2025 people have are deporting american citizens with undocumented relatives. let that sink in. deporting american citizens. trump may say x, but you have to follow what he says with how it will get to y and zed. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/782 "2024-10-29T13:39:54Z")
> [@fachverwirrt](#): > > He did insult Latinos, quoted by @DrDeth in the same post that you quoted: That’s fair - but are non-Puerto Ricans saying they felt personally insulted by the statement and took it to mean them as well? Or are _other people_ telling them they should be insulted? Because that’s kind of the problem. In the context of the “set”, the general reaction has been that it was about Puerto Ricans alone. Telling people they should feel personally insulted because _we_ choose to lump them in together with other groups doesn’t work if they don’t feel it themselves. Of course, a lot of people realize that they are being lumped together, but those aren’t the ones that need to be reached. And telling them “well, of course they meant all of you together” can itself be taken as insulting. It’s much easier to play identity politics when you don’t have to care about identity. Maybe not effective or moral but certainly easier. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/783 "2024-10-29T14:26:33Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Because that’s kind of the problem. In the context of the “set”, the general reaction has been that it was about Puerto Ricans alone. Mainly I believe because of the specificity of that line among the “jokes”. Generic swipes about fast breeding Latinos and about carving watermelons with Black people, sadly, kind of melt into the “yeah what did you expect from this crowd” noise by now. This, OTOH, got a “that’s a new one” reaction and was boosted because of it happening in NY where there’s a million Puerto Ricans in the state and three Puerto Rican Congressmembers in NYC, spanning seniority from 30 years to 4, including among them high-visibility figure AOC — so it took like a New York minute to have irate reactions from people with media reach blowing up the nets. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/784 "2024-10-29T14:40:40Z")
(_reposting from a Pit thread_) Just wanted to chime in about the word “offended.” GOP responses to people’s reactions to the Klan rally at MSG are often along the lines of, “It’s a joke. Stop being so easily offended.” Problem is, I’m not offended. I’m terrified. When you “joke” about using the military to handle the enemy within, I’m imagining soldiers beating down my door and hauling me off to a black site for torture. Maybe raping my wife and killing my dogs for good measure. I’m not Black, but when you joke about watermelons I’m not offended. I’m terrified that you’ll re-enact Jim Crow laws and lynch my neighbors. We need to push back on this “offended” bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/785 "2024-10-29T14:47:57Z")
and bannon is back. he has been released from jail and will be all over in the next few hours. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/786 "2024-10-29T15:05:05Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Problem is, I’m not offended. I’m terrified. When you “joke” about using the military to handle the enemy within, I’m imagining soldiers beating down my door and hauling me off to a black site for torture. Maybe raping my wife and killing my dogs for good measure. > > I’m not Black, but when you joke about watermelons I’m not offended. I’m terrified that you’ll re-enact Jim Crow laws and lynch my neighbors. > > We need to push back on this “offended” bullshit. Excellent point! I heartily endorse your comments. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/787 "2024-10-29T15:29:29Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Because that’s kind of the problem. In the context of the “set”, the general reaction has been that it was about Puerto Ricans alone. Telling people they should feel personally insulted because _we_ choose to lump them in together with other groups doesn’t work if they don’t feel it themselves. Puerto Ricans have been born citizens since before most Americans alive today were born. Insulting them pulls the Klan hood off the “I’m not touching you!” pretense that the MAGAts are objecting to and insulting only illegal immigrants for their illegal immigration. So it should cause Latinos who lean Trumpist because “we’re here legally and they don’t mean us” to realize the MAGA venom isn’t aimed at illegal immigrants but anyone darker than the MAGA yahoos, up to and including themselves (the [del]Log Cabin Republicans[/del] Trump-leaning Latinos). In other words, the lumping-together is being done by the insulters, not people “telling them they should be insulted.” 🙄 It doesn’t require sympathy or empathy with other Latino nationalities, just comprehension of words and a sense of self-preservation. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/788 "2024-10-29T15:29:57Z")
trump is giving remarks at mar a lago. once again he is just going through his usual airing of grievances. his remarks were to start at 10am now an hour and a half later here he is just doing his stream of dementia. now he is going on about how kamala has destroyed lives. cnn lasted about 5-10 minutes before they had to stop and bring in fact checkers. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/789 "2024-10-29T15:38:11Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > In other words, the lumping-together is being done by the insulters, not people “telling them they should be insulted.” 🙄 It doesn’t require sympathy or empathy with other Latino nationalities, just comprehension of words and a sense of self-preservation. Great, so explain that to the Hispanic voters who don’t feel that way in such a fashion that they don’t take as just as condescending as the other side but in a different way. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/790 "2024-10-29T15:41:41Z")
Ain’t no feelings involved, and the explanation was in my post: “Puerto Ricans are born American citizens. Trumpists aren’t insulting them because they’re illegal aliens but because they’re brown.” ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/791 "2024-10-29T15:44:56Z")
I get that. And that explains why Puerto Ricans should be angry. In the context of this thread, that doesn’t adequately explain why other Hispanics should feel the same way. I understand why _you_ believe this to be the case, and I think the explanation makes sense. But that’s a far cry from why _they_ should personally go with that. That may or may not make sense, but rationality and voting behavior don’t have to be aligned. Clearly, they often aren’t. And telling people they are being irrational and that their opinions are wrong has a bad track record at changing minds or votes. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/792 "2024-10-29T16:25:35Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > In the context of this thread, that doesn’t adequately explain why other Hispanics should feel the same way. I’ll give it a shot. _Don’t wave off Republicans’ comments about Puerto Ricans because you’re not Puerto Rican, or comments about Mexicans because you’re not Mexican. If you look like them and have an accent or surname that’s similar to theirs, you and your family might be rounded up and deported on the same train._ ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/793 "2024-10-29T16:27:37Z")
Today’s _Status Kuo_ column – commentator Jay Kuo: > **[Their Masks Are Off, Just In Time](https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/their-masks-are-off-just-in-time)** > > Trump may be immune from public shaming, but his movement is not. And that presents an important lesson and opening. > On _The View_, Sunny Hostin **[laid into Trump directly](https://youtu.be/zHiG13ZRahk)**. > > “This Puerto Rican has something to say about the island that I love, where my family is from,” Hostin said frostily. “Puerto Rico is trash? We are Americans, Donald Trump. Americans. We voluntarily serve disproportionately high in the military, while you have bone spurs. And we vote.” > > Hostin went through all of the numbers of Puerto Ricans living in key swing states and listed the Puerto Rican celebrities who have come out for Harris, posting to their 345 million collective Instagram followers. Then she delivered this call to arms: “We don’t like what was said about Puerto Rico. And we know how to take the trash out, Donald Trump. Trash that has been collecting since 2016. And that’s you, Donald Trump.” > > “And finally, my fellow Puerto Ricans, trash collection day is November 5, 2024.” > > Co-host Ana Navarro-Cárdenas addressed the Latino community directly, masterfully [**walking through**](https://x.com/theview/status/1850937136390029324?s=46&t=V7VfS2X8f7Tb8bB5srchIg) a litany of offensive, racist things Trump has said and done over the years … > > … the Archbishop of San Juan has entered the fray, **[writing a letter to Trump](https://x.com/richraho/status/1851055472381513883?s=46&t=V7VfS2X8f7Tb8bB5srchIg)** that slammed him for his campaign’s transgressions: “Puerto Rico is not a floating island of garbage. Its inhabitants are noble and precious people. You should not insult or denigrate the dignity and character of people. It’s not enough for the campaign to apologize, you should apologize yourself.” > > … > > Trump of course would never apologize for something he said or did, let alone for something someone else said while at his hate-filled event. But the blurring of Trump and MAGA is notable here as elsewhere, and holding Trump accountable for the actions of the people around him is proving both rhetorically and politically effective. > > … > > _ **Despite the common narrative that Arab Americans in the swing state of Michigan are all abandoning the Democratic ticket** _, many of their leaders are currently speaking out against Trump and in favor of Harris. Here’s the highest ranking Arab American official in Wayne County, Michigan’s largest county, **[voicing support for Harris](https://x.com/michigandems/status/1851078993375838431?s=46&t=V7VfS2X8f7Tb8bB5srchIg)** … > > … > > Even in Dearborn, Michigan, home to the highest number of Arab Americans in the U.S., civil and business leaders **[have met to endorse Kamala Harris.](https://x.com/muslims_harris/status/1850908635813261631?s=61&t=dlYuBcwzZXmET9Xd_RRdaQ)** ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/794 "2024-10-29T16:34:48Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I’ll give it a shot. Ok, but don’t tell me. Tell them and hope they buy it. Historically, it hasn’t worked great, but that doesn’t mean we give up, either. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/795 "2024-10-29T17:07:25Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Problem is, I’m not offended. I’m terrified. Very well said. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/796 "2024-10-29T20:19:30Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > No, he insulted Puerto Ricans. _“It’s wild. And these Latinos, they love making babies, too, just know that. They do, they do. There’s no pulling out. They don’t do that. They come inside, just like they did to our country…”_ That’s not an insult? > [@fachverwirrt](#): > > He did insult Latinos, quoted by @DrDeth in the same post that you quoted: Yep. > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > In the context of the “set”, the general reaction has been that it was about Puerto Ricans alone. Nope, he insulted Puerto Ricans , _then_ Latinos, _and_ Blacks. Yes, there was a line about PR being a floating garbage pit, but also lines about latinos and blacks. Separately. Equal opportunity racist. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/797 "2024-10-29T20:30:31Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > I get that. And that explains why Puerto Ricans should be angry. > > In the context of this thread, that doesn’t adequately explain why other Hispanics should feel the same way. Survival. > First they came for the Communists > And I did not speak out > Because I was not a Communist > Then they came for the Socialists > And I did not speak out > Because I was not a Socialist > Then they came for the trade unionists > And I did not speak out > Because I was not a trade unionist > Then they came for the Jews > And I did not speak out > Because I was not a Jew > Then they came for me > And there was no one left > To speak out for me I don’t expect them to listen to _any_ argument however, because if they are considering voting for Trump they are some mix of ignorant, stupid or evil. Nobody _not_ one of those things would support him. So they’ll go ahead and vote for people who want to kill them. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/798 "2024-10-29T20:57:09Z")
Tis true; dumbass racists can’t be bothered about what flavor of brown one is. All they know is “doesn’t look white”. I got run out of an apartment I was renting by some stupid fuck that got it in his head that I’m Puerto Rican. I mean actually sitting outside his house, yelling at me day and night. Only difference between him and Trump’s ideal enforcers is the lack of an official title. Oh,and a gun. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/799 "2024-10-29T23:06:54Z")
Trump is in damage control mode today. > > ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/800 "2024-10-29T23:09:23Z")
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