# Donald Trump announces presidential run **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 16, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679 "2015-06-16T16:35:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/341 "2015-07-19T16:46:19Z")
Trump makes an appeal to ethnic hatred, and now he’s the republican frontrunner. That pretty much says it all. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/342 "2015-07-19T17:09:02Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Trump makes an appeal to ethnic hatred, and now he’s the republican frontrunner. That pretty much says it all. No, he’s just refusing to kowtow to political correctness of the sort that demands we turn a blind eye to any and all wrongful behavior coming from a politically protected group. I know a fair number of Hispanic people. Some of them are even here illegally. I like them very much and they like me. What I don’t like is an administration that allows criminals from south of the border to come flooding into the country unchecked, oftentimes over and over again. That’s what I don’t like and it’s what Donald Trump doesn’t like. It’s also what a great many people in this country don’t like, and that’s why Trump is the Republican frontrunner. ---
**Author:** ![Stately\_Greek\_Automaton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Stately\_Greek\_Automaton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stately_Greek_Automaton)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/343 "2015-07-19T17:16:51Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Maybe its the one in his mouth. That’s probably why he has trouble getting his foot out of there. ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/344 "2015-07-19T17:23:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, he’s just refusing to kowtow to political correctness of the sort that demands we turn a blind eye to any and all wrongful behavior coming from a politically protected group. I’ll be more sympathetic to this assessment as soon as one 'build-a-fencer" discusses anything an inch below the surface of the issue. What’s the plan beyond building the fence? Who picks up the slack for all the jobs the undocumented do to help make this country run? And that’s just one of the questions. Until someone addresses these realities, I see no reason to extend the benefit of the doubt. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/345 "2015-07-19T17:23:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, he’s just refusing to kowtow to political correctness of the sort that demands we turn a blind eye to any and all wrongful behavior coming from a politically protected group. I know a fair number of Hispanic people. Some of them are even here illegally. I like them very much and they like me. What I don’t like is an administration that allows criminals from south of the border to come flooding into the country unchecked, oftentimes over and over again. That’s what I don’t like and it’s what Donald Trump doesn’t like. It’s also what a great many people in this country don’t like, and that’s why Trump is the Republican frontrunner. Of course since the Americans in the administration do not like that too it makes one wonder why is that Trump is trying to claim his dislike is unique. As shown before when Trump shows to be clueless about how the economy is doing regarding the unemployment and claiming that our gross domestic product was below zero, it shows an immaturity and ignorance that tells all that it is good that he will not be the nominee. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/346 "2015-07-19T17:52:30Z")
> [@Pashnish\_Ewing](#): > > I’ll be more sympathetic to this assessment as soon as one 'build-a-fencer" discusses anything an inch below the surface of the issue. What’s the plan beyond building the fence? Who picks up the slack for all the jobs the undocumented do to help make this country run? And that’s just one of the questions. And they’re good questions. I have a hard time imagining how anyone could even begin to address them in today’s political and media climate without being immediately shouted down with claims of racism, but still they’re good questions. And Trump’s a good candidate to begin trying to address these issues because he’s not backing down to political correctness and false accusations of racism. But before any realistic headway can be made in coming up with plans to deal with these issues it’s necessary first to get to the point where we can even discuss them, and that’s where Trump is now. First we have to get the dialog to the point where we can admit there are problems, then we can begin discussions on how to deal with them. > [@Pashnish\_Ewing](#): > > Until someone addresses these realities, I see no reason to extend the benefit of the doubt. So you’re content then to call them racists merely for pointing out and getting people to acknowledge that these problems exist? Doesn’t seem like a viable metric to me. Again, we need to acknowledge that there is a problem before we can discuss viable ways of dealing with it, and sadly we’re nowhere near accomplishing even that. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/347 "2015-07-19T18:10:51Z")
I’ll be interested to see the first polling on whether Trump’s McCain remarks actually hurt him, or if his combover Teflon carries him through. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/348 "2015-07-19T18:11:41Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Trump makes an appeal to ethnic hatred, and now he’s the republican frontrunner. That pretty much says it all. QFT And as a Hispanic I’m really glad that Trump is being seen as a naive troglodyte. > **[Trump’s outrageous Mexico remarks | CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/17/opinions/kohn-donald-trump-announcement/)** > > We are an increasingly pluralistic and global nation. If Donald Trump doesn’t like it, there’s no one he can fire to change things. He should just quit. > [@](#): > > Trump is explicitly playing into an us-versus-them narrative that is not only factually dumb but divisive and dangerous. Maybe we shouldn’t be surprised, given Trump has continually questioned the authenticity of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, but it’s shocking nonetheless. > > In Trump’s formulation, it’s not just Mexicans who are evil – they’re all rapists and drug lords, Trump asserts without any facts to base this upon – but Mexico the country is also evil, deliberately sending “those people” with “those problems.” > > Trump is not only preying on, but feeding the xenophobic fears of mostly conservative white Americans who see immigration not as about economic realities but as a national threat – people who use rhetoric about “hordes” “swarming” the border, which is also the kind of talk that undermines any notion of humane immigration policy. > > I also hope it goes without saying how deeply offensive such comments are not only to Mexican-Americans, but Latino Americans in general. And frankly, it should offend every American whose own ancestors once came to this country as immigrants, immigrants who were almost all at one point denigrated and demeaned by the majority. Immigration and integration are among the best parts of America’s story. Xenophobia and racial bias run through our ugliest chapters. > > “I will build a great, great wall on our southern border,” Trump continued in his speech, “and I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words.” Never mind that we already have a significant fencing system along key parts of the border, and that Border Patrol agents laying more fencing will not stop desperate migrants and crafty smugglers. > > Facts are nothing to Trump. Nor, apparently, is common sense. How, for example, would he get Mexico to pay for such a wall, especially if the country is as wicked as Trump suggests? One also wonders why he’s not concerned there’s no fence at all along the northern border. Canada must not be an evil nation. > > “The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everyone else’s problems,” Trump thundered. But actually, the world has become a dumping ground for U.S. economic policy. And few countries feel this more than Mexico, where our free trade agreements opened the border to cheap American-grown corn – cheap because it’s subsidized by our tax dollars – which flooded the Mexican market and killed local agriculture. > > By 2001, just seven years after the North American Free Trade Agreement took effect, one out of every three tortillas in Mexico was made with imported corn, one report suggests. And a similar dynamic affected other crops and industries. We’ve literally been dumping our cheap subsidized crops and low-wage factories in Mexico – not the other way around. > **[Donald Trump Wins Title Of Most Disliked GOP Candidate](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-most-disliked_n_7597722)** > > Donald Trump Wins Title Of Most Disliked GOP Candidate > [@](#): > > Donald Trump Wins Title Of Most Disliked Republican Candidate ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/349 "2015-07-19T22:02:02Z")
**EVERYONE** will go back to discussing the Trump candidacy. Any more personal attacks, stupid partisan bashing, or other off-topic remarks are going to get Warnings. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/350 "2015-07-19T22:44:54Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > QFT > > And as a Hispanic I’m really glad that Trump is being seen as a naive troglodyte. And as a non-Hispanic I’m overjoyed that Trump is crushing the GOP’s chances with that demographic for a generation. I receive all of the benefits and few of the costs of his clownish race-baiting (though I worry a little for my friends). I’m not proud of my glee, just reporting it. Also, I find the success of his candidacy interesting, though I’d happily offer 10:1 odds for any sucker who thinks he can win the GOP nomination, if logistically convenient. Trump has 20:1 odds at Paddy-power: sounds like a good deal for Trump skeptics. Trump is a metric for a few of the occupants inside the GOP woodwork. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/351 "2015-07-19T22:57:05Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > **EVERYONE** will go back to discussing the Trump candidacy. Do you plan to move this to Cafe Society, or will a newer, even more frivolous forum be created for it? I ask merely for information. ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/352 "2015-07-19T23:28:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So you’re content then to call them racists merely for pointing out and getting people to acknowledge that these problems exist? Doesn’t seem like a viable metric to me. Again, we need to acknowledge that there is a problem before we can discuss viable ways of dealing with it, and sadly we’re nowhere near accomplishing even that. No one, Trump included, is being prevented from discussing the more complicated aspects of undocumented immigration. In fact, the reason for ridicule is that Trump et al ONLY discuss the issue in the simplest, most inflammatory terms. And if they can’t discuss it any other way, they’re going to have to live with the racism label, because there aren’t a lot of other excuses for such simplistic reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/353 "2015-07-20T06:52:35Z")
Something I saw I thought was accurate and apt: > [@Barbara Haynes](#): > > Donald Trump is like if a Comments Section ran for office. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/354 "2015-07-20T15:38:13Z")
Not too far off the mark, at that. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/355 "2015-07-20T16:10:44Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I’ll be interested to see the first polling on whether Trump’s McCain remarks actually hurt him, or if his combover Teflon carries him through. It is very possible his surprisingly tasteless remarks were part of a meticulous campaign strategy; and that he could only bring himself to utter them in order to detach the Launch Escape System of the past GOP baggage. One need scarcely admire Mr. Obama to notice that many of his detractors — who form a large body of U.S. opinion — are not only deranged, but form the very epitome of _ressentiment_; many of these, however unfairly ( not that that would bother them ) will feel hostility to those who competed with him and lost, thereby letting him in to Destroy the Republic. Mrs Palin gets a pass from them, not merely from sexist reasons of being a woman ( = morally superior ) who speaks truth to power, since her beliefs and faith in America not only resonate with them, but are part of the American Experience. About Mr. McCain they are not so sure — which goes for the rest of the buttoned-down GOP gang. They not only want things to remain the same, they want radical change at the same time, and party careerists and bureaucrats aren’t doing it for them any more. America, and the world, is in a course for mass populism ( which is the very essence of democracy ), and if a man can step forward who articulates the national will, and brutally dismisses critics to the cheers of the audience, he can rule. However, I must say that Mr. McCain’s undoubted past heroism in no way qualifies him for power. Otherwise all sorts of lunatics and dimwits are equally qualified. Palin — Trump 2016 ! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/356 "2015-07-20T16:19:56Z")
No no no. Trump - Coulter 2016! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/357 "2015-07-20T16:22:41Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > America, and the world, is in a course for mass populism ( which is the very essence of democracy ), and if a man can step forward who articulates the national will, and brutally dismisses critics to the cheers of the audience, he can rule. And naturally a victory for such a man could be seen as a [triumph of the will](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will) of the people. After all, surely a strong leader uniting the country in a common vision can only be a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/358 "2015-07-20T16:31:23Z")
See post 36159 and thereafter, here: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=573445&page=724](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=573445&page=724) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/359 "2015-07-20T17:43:18Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > No no no. Trump - Coulter 2016! In _Sharknado 3: Oh HELL No_!, the President is played by Mark Cuban, and the Vice President is played by … Ann Coulter. 😉 Michelle Bachmann plays herself. No exaggeration required. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/360 "2015-07-20T17:45:54Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Do you plan to move this to Cafe Society, or will a newer, even more frivolous forum be created for it? > > I ask merely for information. The Trump forum. The largest, classiest forum on the Straight Dope. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679.md?page=19)