# Donald Trump Declassifies all Documents Related to Russia/Collusion and Hillary Emails **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 7, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448 "2020-10-07T21:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/141 "2020-10-08T17:51:25Z")
He believes everything negative about others and only positive things about him - doesn’t matter what the negative things are - he also likes making others ‘guilty’ to make himslef feel ‘not’. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/142 "2020-10-08T17:53:11Z")
I happen to agree with others about you not thinking Trump would lie about this, but this part about the redactions as of now makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/143 "2020-10-08T17:55:01Z")
Oh ok, to answer your nitpick, why would he try to with nothing? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/144 "2020-10-08T17:55:54Z")
He knows that there is nothing damaging to himself in the documents, as it is all stuff that we already know, and stuff the Trump supporters won’t bother to read. And he knows that if he releases the documents, and lies about what they contain, that his supporters won’t bother to read them, and instead, just believe his lies, just as they did with the transcript. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/145 "2020-10-08T17:56:01Z")
He would lie about it - because there are lots of folks calling for it - so he wants to be able to say ‘hes done it’ and its someone elses fault - he pretends he has nothing to hide. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/146 "2020-10-08T17:58:07Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Again, why would that upset them at all? > > That Trump supporters would eat this up is a no brainer, what relevance does it have to the Democrats, at all? It should be obvious. Trump supporters eat this up. Democrats know it’s a lie. But what about the people in between? The ones that didn’t follow politics closely enough? Come on. This is a board that is literally about fighting ignorance. The worst enemy to ignorance is people giving false information that has the potential to mislead. If even one person is misled because they didn’t follow this enough (and not because they already made up their mind), that’s a tragedy. The real question is why there are ever posters who feel the need to defend it, making it out to be no big deal that someone is spreading falsehoods and trying to mislead the American public? Even if they fail, obviously it’s still a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/147 "2020-10-08T17:58:14Z")
But they ALREADY do that … What would the purpose be? It can only get people from the middle , OR to hurt the Democrats. If it does neither then why even bother? ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/148 "2020-10-08T17:59:06Z")
> [@simster](#): > > He would lie about it - because there are lots of folks calling for it - so he wants to be able to say ‘hes done it’ and its someone elses fault - he pretends he has nothing to hide. This I can possibly understand. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/149 "2020-10-08T17:59:28Z")
There is no there there. All the surveillance on individuals involved with the 2016 campaign was approved by the FISA courts because probable cause given to the court’s satisfaction. Don’t want the FBI listening in on your calls with Russian agents? Perhaps you shouldn’t be having calls with Russian agents. Republicans can piss and moan and whine about the Steele dossier all they want, but as far as I have heard, not a single part of the dossier has been proven false. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/150 "2020-10-08T18:00:23Z")
True or not, wouldn’t it bother you if you knew that the FBI was being used as a political assassin? It would me. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/151 "2020-10-08T18:00:56Z")
The only political assassination the FBI did was against Hillary Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/152 "2020-10-08T18:03:55Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > But they ALREADY do that … > > What would the purpose be? > It can only get people from the middle , OR to hurt the Democrats. > > If it does neither then why even bother? Do you really not get this? Or are you feigning ignorance? It is a very obvious, and often-repeated ploy. Step 1: Announce you are about to release some damaging info about your opponent. Step 2: Openly wonder why the authorities are refusing to investigate/indict/arrest your opponent (very important that you make it clear that “the truth is out there but THEY won’t let you see it”). Step 3: Have your supporters repeat these claims ad naseum on every venue they can. Step 4: Hope that some number of undecided, low-information voters see the claims on Facebook, Twitter, wherever and decide “Oh, the President says Biden committed some crime that is the worst in history, I guess I can’t vote for him” Notice that there is no step in which additional documents are released. There are no documents. There are no mystery un-redacted smoking gun documents. IT DOES NOT EXIST. If it did exist, there is 0% chance that the GOP Senate would not have released it already. They have clearances, they have seen everything. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/153 "2020-10-08T18:04:24Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > True or not, wouldn’t it bother you if you knew that the FBI was being used as a political assassin? > > It would me. I don’t see it as a political assassination. Members of the campaign had some ties and conversations with some known Russian agents. They shared their internal polling with Russians. The FBI rightly saw this as an attack on our election process. I’ll be the first to admit that Comey was a giant douche for announcing the reopening of the investigation into Hillary while not announcing the ongoing investigation into her opponent, but on the whole the institutions worked as intended. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/154 "2020-10-08T18:06:22Z")
Yes, to be clear, I too think Trump would lie about this as he does about so many things. I was saying that I don’t see why Sam Stone can’t see this. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/155 "2020-10-08T18:11:06Z")
It’s not a nitpick. You accused the Democrats of being worried about the information coming out, without the slightest shred of substantiation. I’m asking you to back up your accusation. If you cannot back up your accusation, then fine, retract it. It’s not a nitpick to ask you to cite your accusations. But as to why he would try with nothing? Because he knows that his supporters will believe him, just as the OP in this very thread did. I’ve already answered this. He believes that there are groups out there like the one I just cited to you, that will believe his lies, and perpetuate violence on his behalf. Why does Trump constantly lie about stuff that is easily disproven? Because he knows that there are millions out there that will believe it unquestioningly. Let me ask you, do you actually believe that the full unredacted report will condemn the Democrats and exonerate Trump? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/156 "2020-10-08T18:14:02Z")
Good question. Why does Trump tell all the lies that he does? I think that it’s because he’s a narcissistic pathological liar who wants attention. Why do you think Trump tells all the lies that he does? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/157 "2020-10-08T18:16:19Z")
It would, if it were true. But if it’s not true, then it’s just a lie. True or not, wouldn’t it bother you if your mailman was secretly trying to poison you? ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/158 "2020-10-08T18:19:07Z")
I didn’t accuse them, I was answering Czarcasm, when he said “The only thing they are banking on is that his tweets upset “the enemy”, and you don’t have to trust me-the last four years of his actions and their reactions are evidence enough.” Upset is synonymous with worry. I still don’t really understand the ultimate goal of saying there are documents coming out. It won’t HELP him. At it’s best the only thing he can hope for (if they actually come out as promised) is that it hurts the Dems. I don’t have a clue what the full unredacted documents would show. Yes it would, but that follows that the FBI shouldn’t be used as a political pawn. So yay, you are on my side! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/159 "2020-10-08T18:20:58Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Upset is synonymous with worry. Bullshit. If the words were synonymous you wouldn’t be making a futile effort to exchange one for the other. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/160 "2020-10-08T18:22:26Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Good question. Why does Trump tell all the lies that he does? > > I think that it’s because he’s a narcissistic pathological liar who wants attention. > > Why do you think Trump tells all the lies that he does? IMHO, the answer to this is slightly different. As a consumer of media from all points on the political spectrum, I’ll reiterate: people who consume only right-wing media _have absolutely no idea_ that there’s even an _allegation_ that some of these things aren’t true. They never hear a refutation. They never hear a dissenting argument. They never hear a fact-checking of these endless falsehoods. It’s the ultimate logical conclusion to the proverbial ‘echo chamber.’ Trump and his team know this \*_very_ well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448.md?page=9)