# Donald Trump finds out where the GOP draws the line & it's at Megyn Kelly's bloody vagina **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 9, 2015, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408 "2015-08-09T21:53:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![dracoi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dracoi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dracoi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/41 "2015-08-10T18:50:59Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What _do_ you think he was about to say? Trump’s argument that he meant to say nose/ears and decided to use whatever just to get back “on topic” is not impossible. He has sometimes hand-waved away the rest of a sentence in a similar fashion. I’m not saying I believe him, but… maybe… The weakest part of Trump’s argument is claiming that he wanted to get on topic. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/42 "2015-08-10T18:53:46Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > However, it seems that many people have convinced themselves that it is the only thing Trump could have meant. Oh well, life goes on. The context convinced me, not me myself. Trump is talking about a woman who in his eyes is behaving angrily and irrational. ‘Nose’ is not a reasonable fill-in-the-blank for ‘whatever’. Nothing else makes sense in this context. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/43 "2015-08-10T18:57:01Z")
> [@mr.jp](#): > > This is really ridiculous. I think it’s pretty clear he didnt mean it as a reference to menstruation. Why would he reference menstruation at that time? Just because he said “wherever” instead of specifying everyone assumes its innuendo. Are we supposed to believe that Donald Trump could not remember the word “nose”? Does that make him seem more presidential, or less? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/44 "2015-08-10T20:20:00Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > I haven’t read the thread yet but here’s my thoughts. > > Trump didn’t say anything about any vagina. He simply meant to say she was out for blood and gunning for him, which she was. We’ll never know, but this shows that if you have a history of sexist comments people are going to assume your comment is sexist, even if it isn’t. > [@](#): > > I totally mis-read the debate and how it would impact Trump. The moderators were clearly gunning for him and I thought he looked like an idiot. I figured he would be finished soon. > > Listening to some conservative talk radio the next day, I realized the opposite was true. Poll numbers are now showing the same thing. Despite his absurd debate performance his numbers are up as a result. Perhaps he is giving the base what they want. > [@](#): > > I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that 20% of people are saying they support this clown. Some of them, many of them, must be trolling the pollsters. I don’t think that many people would actually vote for the guy. He certainly has no hope of winning. Did you think the Cain, Santorum and Bachmann supporters 4 years ago were trolling also? They all led at one point without the name recognition Trump enjoys. And without access to resources that would let them continue without backers. I don’t disagree with you about him not having a chance, just about this making a difference in his support. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/45 "2015-08-10T20:34:38Z")
I agree with the folks who think Trump didn’t really mean to say vagina when he said whatever. What gets me is that attacking a debate moderator during an interview, saying she had blood coming out of her eyes, is even remotely appropriate for a Presidential candidate. Fuck, his own campaign, which is I assume staffed with PR people said "Also, not only is Erick a total loser, he has a history of supporting establishment losers in failed campaigns so it is an honor to be uninvited from his event. Mr Trump is an outsider and does not fit his agenda.” Are these guys 12 years old? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a candidate this thin skinned, who spent so much time attacking the press and anyone who suggests he is in the wrong. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/46 "2015-08-10T20:54:03Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > With a MORE eloquent speaker, I’d believe that. With Trump? I suspect he couldn’t think of other words for facial features that blood would flow out of. > > Again, he’s lightning-fast with the insult. He’s not lightning-fast with interesting rhetoric or new vocabulary. She’s lucky he didn’t call her a loser moron loser. Or dumb-dumb double dumbass on her! I don’t think it was a menstruation reference. I think it was just a general “Women are so crazy, amirite?” comment. ---
**Author:** ![Linear\_Crack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Linear\_Crack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linear_Crack)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/47 "2015-08-10T21:09:45Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Are we supposed to believe that Donald Trump could not remember the word “nose”? Does that make him seem more presidential, or less? Trump doesn’t care about looking presidential. He just wants to be the CEO of the United States and kick off a new reality show called “The Apprentice: U.S. Congress”. -LC ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/48 "2015-08-10T21:18:35Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Are we supposed to believe that Donald Trump could not remember the word “nose”? Does that make him seem more presidential, or less? Maybe he couldn’t decide between nose / ears / mouth. Maybe he thought about going for mouth, but then thought it was too nauseating an image, so changed it to the non-specific wherever. Maybe he realized he didn’t have a good other option for where the blood should come from, so left it non-specific to circumvent the issue. All these seem likely to me. What does not seem likely to me (at all) is that he was in the middle of making a metaphor about how she was out for blood / vicious / in a rage (blood coming out of her eyes), and then mid-sentence changes the whole thing to her having her period, in a sort of understated way. Also I don’t see why he would bring up her period at that time. It’s stereotypically PMS that makes women more upset, right, not when they have their period. I think it’s a case of people already being so sure that Trump is an idiot, and therefore going ahead and interpreting everything he says in the worst way they possibly can. Here it seems to me that their interpretation is clearly wrong, and I wish they would focus on all the clear-cut and much more important areas in which Trump has said criticizable things. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/49 "2015-08-10T21:36:45Z")
> [@mr.jp](#): > > Maybe he couldn’t decide between nose / ears / mouth. Maybe he thought about going for mouth, but then thought it was too nauseating an image, so changed it to the non-specific wherever. Maybe he realized he didn’t have a good other option for where the blood should come from, so left it non-specific to circumvent the issue. > > All these seem likely to me. What does not seem likely to me (at all) is that he was in the middle of making a metaphor about how she was out for blood / vicious / in a rage (blood coming out of her eyes), and then mid-sentence changes the whole thing to her having her period, in a sort of understated way. Also I don’t see why he would bring up her period at that time. It’s stereotypically PMS that makes women more upset, right, not when they have their period. > > I think it’s a case of people already being so sure that Trump is an idiot, and therefore going ahead and interpreting everything he says in the worst way they possibly can. Here it seems to me that their interpretation is clearly wrong, and I wish they would focus on all the clear-cut and much more important areas in which Trump has said criticizable things. I somewhat agree. It rather reminds me of Reagan during the Iran-Contra scandal. Everyone seemed to be obsessed with finding out “what did he know, and when did he know it”. My answer was “who cares”. He either approved the arms sales, or appointed those who did. His underlings either believed he’d be okay with it, or believed it was okay to keep such information from the president. He deserves scorn either way. Similarly with Trump. He’s either learned that alienating women is bad and thought (perhaps at the last second) he could slip a subtle menstruation reference past us, or (despite a day to either prepare or to get over it) is so bothered by being questioned that he comes out in a sputtering rage and doesn’t even know what insult he’s hurling. Whichever it is, I don’t want him anywhere near the presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/50 "2015-08-10T21:41:40Z")
I don’t think he’s clever enough to make a PMS joke; he just fumbled for a word and substituted “whatever.” I’m sure I’ve heard him do the same thing in other contexts when he can’t be bothered to finish a sentence. I hope his support remains strong. I don’t want the show to end yet, and I enjoy the sound of Fox News’ collective heads exploding. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/51 "2015-08-10T22:56:29Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > (1) Democrats and the MSM are always trying to make conservatives apologize to cu them own. Look at how they kept trying to make Bush apologize for Iraq! > (2) Megyn Kelly wouldn’t want to be seen as a victim here so stop talking about Trump doing her wrong. She wouldn’t want it that way. > (3) People don’t realize that Trump’s supporters are very angry about government, not pointless stuff like this > (4) Political correctness is so bad that comedians won’t play to college campuses any more. This is just more PC-garbage. > (5) If anything, Obama should apologize to America about how he destroyed the country but how come no one tries to make him do that, huh? HUH? > (6) I left as he was teasing the next segment: Two black women have a YouTube channel and they love Trump! > > That was Rush’s spin, naturally, not my own. Thanks for listening to Rush so that we don’t have to! Needless to say, I’m delighted to hear that the old bastard is playing it that way, for the reasons I gave above. Damn, here I am, cheering Rush on. What enormous quantity of finite Improbability did _that_ take, I wonder? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/52 "2015-08-11T00:20:30Z")
I’m not surprised that it is talk radio the one that is then keeping Trump up, If a very recent poll is correct then Trump is ahead now by 32 percentage points. > **[Trump's Lead Grows After Debate, Controversy](https://morningconsult.com/2015/08/10/trumps-lead-grows-after-debate-controversy/)** > > Real estate magnate Donald Trump’s lead over the Republican field grew in the several days after his performance at the first GOP presidential debate, according to a new Morning Consult survey, even after he invited a new round of scorn from fellow... As I pointed in other threads polls from more reliable pollsters were consistent for months that if Trump and Clinton are the nominees we are then talking about a landslide victory for Clinton that was not seen since the times of Reagan. Rush is of course happy and the reactionaries are getting their message across and their candidate up. But many moderates and independents are just finding out now what many liberals and moderates told them about what they would get by continuing to seek support of republicans of the Tea Party variety and reactionaries. The chickens have come home to roost. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/53 "2015-08-11T00:46:19Z")
We can’t be sure he meant “vagina”, but it does make the most sense. And given how crude he has been, cutting him slack doesn’t make sense either. I’m going with, yeah, he probably was thinking “on the rag”, and hence “vagina”. I was going to say “nose”, but ended up saying “whatever”? Occam points to no. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/54 "2015-08-11T01:03:32Z")
I’d make a _bee-line_ to it, but not when bloody. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/55 "2015-08-11T01:07:17Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What _do_ you think he was about to say? Exactly what he said he was going to say. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, of course. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/56 "2015-08-11T01:11:50Z")
> [@Pashnish\_Ewing](#): > > The context convinced me, not me myself. Trump is talking about a woman who in his eyes is behaving angrily and irrational. ‘Nose’ is not a reasonable fill-in-the-blank for ‘whatever’. Nothing else makes sense in this context. Nothing else makes sense to you. You seem to be the one who’s thinking about Kelly’s vagina. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/57 "2015-08-11T01:29:57Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Nothing else makes sense to you. You seem to be the one who’s thinking about Kelly’s vagina. I can think of worse things to think about than Megyn Kelly’s vagina. What I love is, of course, Trump now saying that she should [apologize](http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/politics/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-apology/index.html) to him. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/58 "2015-08-11T02:37:13Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > With a MORE eloquent speaker, I’d believe that. With Trump? I suspect he couldn’t think of other words for facial features that blood would flow out of. > > Again, he’s lightning-fast with the insult. He’s not lightning-fast with interesting rhetoric or new vocabulary. She’s lucky he didn’t call her a loser moron loser. I agree. Trump’s one of those guys that starts a sentence without knowing where it’s going to end up and I think he just mixed up some metaphors - who the hell ever uses the phrase “blood coming out of her eyes”, anyway? “Out for blood, maybe” - “steam coming out of her ears”, maybe … I think he was just babbling and had to find a way to end the sentence. Some of my friends and I are thinking that he’s in the early stages of senile dementia - he’s losing his filters and he’s mildly delusional. It makes me kind of feel sorry for him even if he is a big giant asshat. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/59 "2015-08-11T03:38:07Z")
Even Fox News is forced to bend to Trump, after people predicted that THIS would be the event to crash his campaign. From [New York Magazine](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/donald-trump-and-roger-ailes-make-up-for-now.html): > [@](#): > > Now, it appears both sides want peace. This morning, Trump tweeted that Ailes called to assure him that Fox will cover him “fairly” going forward. According to two high-level Fox sources, Ailes’s diplomacy was the result of increasing concern inside Fox News that Trump could damage the network. Immediately following Thursday’s debate, Fox was deluged with pro-Trump emails. The chatter on Twitter was equally in Trump’s favor. “In the beginning, virtually 100 percent of the emails were against Megyn Kelly,” one Fox source, who was briefed on the situation, told me. “Roger was not happy. Most of the Fox viewers were taking Trump’s side.” > […] > In recent days, Ailes got a glimpse of what a Trump-less Fox News would look like. On Sunday, Trump called in to the four other public-affairs shows; this morning he gave interviews to Today and Morning Joe. Inside Fox, this was alarming. “This thing with Megyn got way ahead of Roger and bigger than he must have thought,” one Fox personality said. “Roger wants this to blow over,” another source added ---
**Author:** ![Tread](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Tread](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tread)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408/60 "2015-08-11T03:38:56Z")
> [@susan](#): > > Yes, I saw his tremendously respectful comment about Rosie O’Donnell as evidence of his esteem for women. His comment about Rosie was about Rosie, not all women. He can hate Rosie O’Donnell for her out spoken views and opinions of him, and still have respect for women as a whole. A person’s opinion of a person is their opinion of that person, not the entire subset that includes their gender, race, religion…etc. She has said of Trump He’s : …a snake-oil salesman on Little House On The Prairie …an ass in every way And many other things, I don’t think that should be as evidence of her esteem for men. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-finds-out-where-the-gop-draws-the-line-its-at-megyn-kellys-bloody-vagina/727408.md?page=4)