# Donald Trump gets hero's welcome at Army/Navy football game. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463 "2016-12-11T19:39:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/81 "2016-12-12T22:27:09Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Whereas some liberals are more likely to project their own views onto others - _"Since I hate Trump, I assume that those West Point and Annapolis military cadets over there, shaking Trump’s hand, must also secretly inwardly loathe Trump, too. Why? Because_\* I \*\*loathe Trump, therefore \*\*they \*_must loathe Trump, too!"_ I’m a liberal, and I agree. Some people genuinely like the guy. now, I don’t like or respect people that do, but that’s America! They exist, I exist, and we all have to get along. As a side note, I wonder what I’d do if I found myself with a White House invitation while trump is in office, or if I did something to get the Presidential Medal of Freedom. How impolite would it be to not go? And can I get my medal by mail? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/82 "2016-12-12T22:36:19Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > You better go set the dictionary straight, they agree with me, not you. > > ma·jor·i·ty > məˈjôrədē,məˈjärədē/ > noun > > 1. the greater number > > Hillary got the MAJORITY of votes cast. It’s really that simple. _sigh_ this weak shit? I’ll tell ya what there skippy… find me any political entity, municipality, state or nation that defines majority as “the most votes” and I’ll conceded you have a point. Doing that, you ought to go over the parts of the definition that you overlooked: > [@](#): > > noun, plural majorities. > > 1. the greater part or number; **the number larger than half the total** (opposed to minority ): the majority of the population. > 2. a number of voters or votes, jurors, or others in agreement, constituting **more than half of the total number**. See how that phrase “more than half” keeps coming up? It’s because that’s what majority always means when counting votes. Senate majority, house majority all mean more than half, by definition, and a plurality means less than half. Hillary won a PLURALITY of votes cast. Which ought to count for something, I agree, but it doesn’t help to pretend an electoral plurality is an electoral majority. Get back to us when you find some definition of ‘electoral majority’ that is defined as ‘more votes.’ ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/83 "2016-12-12T22:57:13Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I realize[this article i](http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/05/09/military-times-survey-donald-trump-beats-hillary-clinton/84132402/)s from months ago, but it showed a big lead for Trump over Hillary among military voters. > > But even more to the point - I’ve noticed a certain projection tendency among the political left that I don’t see as much of on the political right. Conservatives, in any fairly mixed setting, often do \*\*not \*\*assume that people that they encounter hold the same political beliefs that they do; in fact, some conservatives assume that people they encounter are \*\*not \*\*their political allies until proven otherwise. > > Whereas some liberals are more likely to project their own views onto others - _"Since I hate Trump, I assume that those West Point and Annapolis military cadets over there, shaking Trump’s hand, must also secretly inwardly loathe Trump, too. Why? Because_\* I \*\*loathe Trump, therefore \*\*they \*_must loathe Trump, too!"_ For me, I always assume athletes and soldiers are republicans. On your dichotomy: I don’t think it’s projection. I think it’s a result of more than a century of liberalization and settled law and customs about so many things. Trump is threatening to turn a lot of things back, not even because he believes it but because he’s a troll who’s going to throw bombs and get attention. If you are going to come out opposing a century of things we kind of decided as a society were priorities over the last 100 years you will probably have to be wary of your audience. I’m talking about whether there should be an EPA, whether climate change exists, drugs, sexuality, race, reproduction, education, income inequality… and yes whether someone like Hillary Clinton is really “EVIL!” incarnate above other politicians. If you’re wrong about something, or on the wrong side of history, you might be pushed back at. Why wouldn’t you (If that is what is happening)? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/84 "2016-12-12T23:00:41Z")
\*\*Donald Trump gets hero’s welcome at Army/Navy football game. \*\* As well he should. What’s the problem here? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/85 "2016-12-12T23:09:47Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > \*\*Donald Trump gets hero’s welcome at Army/Navy football game. > \*\* > > As well he should. What’s the problem here? No problem. He is a brave hero who is rescuing America from evil gay Muslim atheist communist fascists. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/86 "2016-12-13T01:02:46Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > You better go set the dictionary straight, they agree with me, not you. > > ma·jor·i·ty > məˈjôrədē,məˈjärədē/ > noun > > 1. the greater number > > Hillary got the MAJORITY of votes cast. It’s really that simple. No, you’re still wrong. But the dictionary is right. You’re just not using the right numbers. Did Hillary get more than half of all votes cast? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/87 "2016-12-13T01:06:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No problem. He is a brave hero who is rescuing America from evil gay Muslim atheist communist fascists. Well, technically, he’s not doing it. He has people for that. If anybody, it would be Pence, and the Cabinet of Curiosities. The Tweeter-in-Chief is too busy running The Apprentice. And tweeting. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/88 "2016-12-13T01:57:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, you’re still wrong. > > But the dictionary is right. > > You’re just not using the right numbers. Did Hillary get more than half of all votes cast? Hope you guys get this worked out, I’m on tenterhooks over here. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/89 "2016-12-13T02:36:39Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hope you guys get this worked out, I’m on tenterhooks over here. The majority says THUMBS DOWN! ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/90 "2016-12-13T14:14:33Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Those are theoretical reasons why military folks might not support him, not [actual data](http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/data-points/poll-trump-leads-clinton-among-military-veteran-voters-n643501) about how many did. You know that, right? > > No wonder the Democrats are still wondering why they lost. Why bother with data when you already know the answer… Trump didn’t do as well as Romney or McCain. Also Veterans are generally older than the general voting population. A lot older. Vietnam vets make up the lion’s share of veterans/military demographic. Once you correct for that (as well as geographic differences, I bet the differences aren’t, I doubt the gap is as significant as it might first appear. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/91 "2016-12-13T21:16:53Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > \*\*Donald Trump gets hero’s welcome at Army/Navy football game. > \*\* > > As well he should. What’s the problem here? Ummmm because he’s NOT a hero? Not by any stretch of the imagination? He’s just a big fat orange pig who somehow fell into the White House. Before that, he was a big fat orange pig who never made an honest deal in his life. Hero? WTF. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/92 "2016-12-13T21:29:25Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Ummmm because he’s NOT a hero? Not by any stretch of the imagination? He’s just a big fat orange pig who somehow fell into the White House. Before that, he was a big fat orange pig who never made an honest deal in his life. Hero? WTF. He’s got a purple heart, that’s gotta count for something, right? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/93 "2016-12-13T21:32:31Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > He’s got a purple heart, that’s gotta count for something, right? He had heel spurs that kept him out of service. Never mind. I forgot he doesn’t like being wounded. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/94 "2016-12-13T22:22:52Z")
I didn’t see the game, but perhaps some of you did, and could answer a question for me. Were touchdowns scored during the game met with a similar hero’s welcome? Long pass receptions? First downs? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/95 "2016-12-14T03:03:57Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Trump didn’t do as well as Romney or McCain. Also Veterans are generally older than the general voting population. A lot older. Vietnam vets make up the lion’s share of veterans/military demographic. Once you correct for that (as well as geographic differences, I bet the differences aren’t, I doubt the gap is as significant as it might first appear. I have no idea what the fuck you are going on about wrt my post. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/96 "2016-12-14T04:39:14Z")
People seem to forget that nowadays there is a huge number of black and hispanic soldiers in the military as well as white. When I was in we at times had quite lively debates in the motor pool about politics with the older white sergeants tending to be old school conservatives but a good portion of younger minority soldiers were more left leaning, supportive of Obama, etc. I will say that there were more republican or conservative minorities that I saw in the military than the political leanings of minorities in the general population but I think sometimes people forget about the huge number of minorities that are in the military so even though it is and has been traditionally a large republican or conservative voting bloc I don’t think it is static and there is probably a smaller but still significant number of soldiers, especially the younger minority ones that don’t fit that bill. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/97 "2016-12-14T14:16:33Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Ummmm because he’s NOT a hero? Not by any stretch of the imagination? He’s just a big fat orange pig who somehow fell into the White House. Before that, he was a big fat orange pig who never made an honest deal in his life. Hero? WTF. Ummm…no. He is the President-elect of the United States. You can either put on your big girl panties and deal with that, or you can continue to whine like a broke-dick dog. Your choice, snowflake. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/98 "2016-12-14T14:45:29Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Ummm…no. He is the President-elect of the United States. You can either put on your big girl panties and deal with that, or you can continue to whine like a broke-dick dog. Your choice, snowflake. So, being president or president elect makes one a hero? Why were you not singing praises to Obama when he was your hero? ETA: I know you are not going to answer that, as you are a stupid little hypocrite that thinks he scores points with your inane posts and never comes back to defend them, but I always hold out hope that one day you (and all your ilk) will grow up and act like a reasonable human being for once. Won’t hold my breath for that though. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/99 "2016-12-14T14:50:31Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Ummm…no. He is the President-elect of the United States. You can either put on your big girl panties and deal with that, or you can continue to whine like a broke-dick dog. Your choice, snowflake. Thanks, you just created the image of you wearing big girl panties. And a granny bra. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463/100 "2016-12-14T15:15:34Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Ummm…no. He is the President-elect of the United States. You can either put on your big girl panties and deal with that, or you can continue to whine like a broke-dick dog. Your choice, snowflake. You mean the way you’ve been whining for the past eight years? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-army-navy-football-game/774463.md?page=6)