# Donald Trump is a Punk **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 19, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-a-punk/809139 "2018-02-19T19:45:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-a-punk/809139/21 "2018-02-20T14:55:26Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > OTOH if we instead go on and use the non-music definition of “punk”… I think you’re referring to the “brat” definition, and I wholeheartedly agree. But I was suggesting exactly this with something else in mind. I was thinking of Trump more as a force of nature that creates opportunities for good things to happen, in spite of himself or his intentions. He is a Melkor, intending to sing discord into creation, but instead inadvertently inspires even greater creation from his adversaries. Aaaand now I’ve got and image of Melkor wearing tattered leather and forcing a giant safety pin through his cheek. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-a-punk/809139/22 "2018-02-20T17:26:50Z")
> [@B-Rad](#): > > I think you’re referring to the “brat” definition, and I wholeheartedly agree. But I was suggesting exactly this with something else in mind. I was thinking of Trump more as a force of nature that creates opportunities for good things to happen, in spite of himself or his intentions. He is a Melkor, intending to sing discord into creation, but instead inadvertently inspires even greater creation from his adversaries. > > Aaaand now I’ve got and image of Melkor wearing tattered leather and forcing a giant safety pin through his cheek. So you think that trump being trump, is going to make good people rise up to make sure this never happens again? History doesn’t support that. We continue to create megalomaniacs and assholes. Some are smarter than others. On this go round, at least we have a stupid one. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-a-punk/809139/23 "2018-02-20T20:16:13Z")
Hunter Thompson had the punk rock candidacy. The fulcrum the OP is based on is just too strained. donald does represent incoherent, monomaniacal self interest in the form of pathological lying. That’s not punk to me. People having unintended positive effects, which are seperate from their personhood, doesn’t sound indentifiably punk. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-a-punk/809139/24 "2018-02-20T21:13:00Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Seems as fitting a place as any: > > Trump’s _not fit to shovel shit from one place to another!_ As I mentioned in another thread, … but I’d enjoy seeing him have to try. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-a-punk/809139/25 "2018-02-20T21:13:18Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Many punks had an ethos: that the system needed to be torn down as a path to freedom and social justice. Like the Sex Pistols raised against the monarchy because of its oppression of the working classes, and the Clash wrote intensely political songs criticizing capitalist power. The Sex Pistols were a marketing gimmick Malcolm Mclaren used to sell S&M themed fashion. None of them were sober long enough to form a political ethos. The Clash were the real deal, though. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-a-punk/809139/26 "2018-02-20T21:31:32Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > OTOH if we instead go on and use the non-music definition of “punk”… The one that pertains to prison; that’s the one I had in mind. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-a-punk/809139/27 "2018-02-20T22:14:57Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > As I mentioned in another thread, … but I’d enjoy seeing him have to try. Don’t you know, he’s got great shovels, the best shovels. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-a-punk/809139/28 "2018-02-20T23:15:10Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > He’s a Pet Rock. Please. My pet rock never lied, and it never tried to take away anyone’s insurance. It also had a longer attention span. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-a-punk/809139/29 "2018-02-20T23:17:24Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Please. My pet rock never lied, and it never tried to take away anyone’s insurance. > It also had a longer attention span. And my pet rock is proud to be bald. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-a-punk/809139.md?page=1)