# Donald Trump is now a birther **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044 "2011-03-17T17:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/261 "2011-04-10T21:28:59Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > Given that **SA** twice has jumped into threads to lend his support to birther trolls, it’s presumably not just an excess of Trump-love that motivates him. He hasn’t really, rather coy about that. So far, he just scolds liberals for being so hateful and intolerant of morons, seething with rage, that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/262 "2011-04-10T21:44:20Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > Not that I care, but that doesn’t establish much: > > > [@](#): > > > > As far as her comments on the so-called “birther” issue, I don’t need Ms. Collins’s advice. There is a very large segment of our society who believe that Barack Obama, indeed, was not born in the United States. His grandmother from Kenya stated, on tape, that he was born in Kenya and she was there to watch the birth. His family in Honolulu is fighting over which hospital in Hawaii he was born in-they just don’t know. > > > > He has not been able to produce a “birth certificate” but merely a totally unsigned “certificate of live birth”-which is totally different and of very little significance. Unlike a birth certificate, a certificate of live birth is very easy to obtain. Equally of importance, there are no records in Hawaii that a Barack Hussein Obama was born there-no bills, no doctors names, no nurses names, no registrations, no payments, etc. As far as the two notices placed in newspapers, many things could have happened, but some feel the grandparents put an ad in order to show that he was a citizen of the U.S. with all of the benefits thereto. Everybody, after all, and especially then, wanted to be a United States citizen. > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/opinion/lweb08trump.html?\_r=3](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/opinion/lweb08trump.html?_r=3) Donald Trump, unsurprisingly, is not exactly being honest when he says that Obama’s grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. In a telephone interview with Ron McRae, with Vitalis Akech Ogombe acting as translator, Sarah Obama agrees with the claim that she was present at Barack’s birth, then corrects herself when asked about it. [Here’s](http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2009/07/23/liddy) how that portion of the interview actually went: > [@](#): > > MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya? > > OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born. > > MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa? > > OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America. > > MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya. > > OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa. > > MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born. > > OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii. Also, reading the rest of Trump’s letter, he comes off as an immature prick whose first instinct is to insult everyone who disagrees with him. He makes Sarah Palin look thick-skinned and stoic in the face of criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/263 "2011-04-10T21:53:18Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > Donald Trump, unsurprisingly, is not exactly being honest when he says that Obama’s grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. In a telephone interview with Ron McRae, with Vitalis Akech Ogombe acting as translator, Sarah Obama agrees with the claim that she was present at Barack’s birth, then corrects herself when asked about it. [Here’s](http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2009/07/23/liddy) how that portion of the interview actually went:Also, reading the rest of Trump’s letter, he comes off as an immature prick whose first instinct is to insult everyone who disagrees with him. He makes Sarah Palin look thick-skinned and stoic in the face of criticism. The interpreter corrected her? > [@](#): > > “I have listened to the tape,” he said. “The preacher asked whether Barack Obama was born in Mombasa, and the translator asked the same. When she said Mombasa, it was like a surprise, and those there thought she could not have meant to say Mombasa.” > > The source said that at that point “they began insisting Hawaii was where Barack Obama was born.” > > Sarah Obama can be heard uttering “Mombasa” in response to McRae’s question about where Obama was born. [http://www.plaintruth.com/the\_plain\_truth/2009/08/did-obamas-grandmother-say-he-was-born-in-kenya.html](http://www.plaintruth.com/the_plain_truth/2009/08/did-obamas-grandmother-say-he-was-born-in-kenya.html) > [@](#): > > The Times Herald even reports: “the senator’s grandmother, brother and sister, who live in Kenya, believe they were present during Obama’s birth in the African country.” > **[Israel News](https://www.israelnationalnews.com/)** > > The Israel National News Arutz Sheva website of the largest media group in the Jewish world, brings you news from Israel, the Diaspora, and the world - 24 hours a day. News, economy, culture, food, health, and more. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/264 "2011-04-10T21:53:42Z")
I haven’t paid much attention to the birther nonsense, but I did see Trump on CNN this AM. He claims that one reason Obama is “hiding” his real birth certificate is that it might have him listed as a Muslim. First question: Is there really some other birth certificate out there that we haven’t seen, or is the CoLB the only thing that Hawai’i issues? Second Question: Does Hawai’i (or any state) actually list a religion for a baby? That would seem a bit odd… ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/265 "2011-04-10T21:57:28Z")
As if you needed another reason to think Trump is full of shit: Sarah Palin Supports Donald Trumps Birther Quest > **[Gawker](https://www.gawker.com)** > > Gawker. It's a website on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/266 "2011-04-10T21:58:19Z")
> [@](#): > > … He has not been able to produce a “birth certificate” but merely a totally unsigned “certificate of live birth”-which is totally different and of very little significance. … Funny that that piece of paper “of very little significance” is enough to get you; a driver’s license, a passport, a seat in the US Congress . . . CMC fnord! Way to go **Chen019**! Do you need a list of all the people you really _don’t_ want to quote on this subject?Here’s a couple to get you started; Philip Berg, Jerome Corsi, Orly Taitz. Oh yeah, and of course, Donald “The Jamaican” Trump! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/267 "2011-04-10T22:00:17Z")
Do these birthers know that it doesn’t even matter whether Obama was born in the US or not for him to be a “natural born citizen”? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/268 "2011-04-10T22:06:28Z")
I don’t think they do, actually. They point at this law of the time (can’t find a cite right now) that says that at least one parent has to have been a citizen of the U.S. for X number of years (where X is less than his mom was ALIVE) to pass on citizenship, or something like that. ETA: Found it, quoted in [this Snopes article on the subject.](http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp) ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/269 "2011-04-10T22:06:36Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I haven’t paid much attention to the birther nonsense, but I did see Trump on CNN this AM. He claims that one reason Obama is “hiding” his real birth certificate is that it might have him listed as a Muslim. > > First question: Is there really some other birth certificate out there that we haven’t seen, or is the CoLB the only thing that Hawai’i issues? > > Second Question: Does Hawai’i (or any state) actually list a religion for a baby? That would seem a bit odd… The state does store a slightly longer certificate, but it doesn’t list religion, or really any extra information other then the name of the attending physician. The State apparently won’t release them unless instructed to by a court (which is why the shorter form exists), but various Hawiian officials have verified that Obama has the longer certificate. > [@John Mace](#): > > Do these birthers know that it doesn’t even matter whether Obama was born in the US or not for him to be a “natural born citizen”? Thats at least debatable. But it doesn’t really matter, since you need to believe several extremely improbable things to think he wasn’t born in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/270 "2011-04-10T22:08:55Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > He hasn’t really, rather coy about that. So far, he just scolds liberals for being so hateful and intolerant of morons, seething with rage, that sort of thing. Teach the controversy, y’know? It allows him plausible deniability. He’d have made a great Richard Nixon. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/271 "2011-04-10T22:18:36Z")
Trump is learning . He was on Crowleys show today. He kept at the birther thing for the whole time. He claimed he wanted to talk about other things but never got past the birth rant. He has also adopted the right wing strategy of talking louder and louder when she attempted to ask questions. Then he repeated the birther thing again. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/272 "2011-04-10T22:24:08Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I haven’t paid much attention to the birther nonsense, but I did see Trump on CNN this AM. He claims that one reason Obama is “hiding” his real birth certificate is that it might have him listed as a Muslim. > > First question: Is there really some other birth certificate out there that we haven’t seen, or is the CoLB the only thing that Hawai’i issues? > > Second Question: Does Hawai’i (or any state) actually list a religion for a baby? That would seem a bit odd… Not that I trust them on anything really, but [this page on WND](http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347) shows what I’m willing to believe is actually an original copy of the birth certificate of a baby born a few days later in Hawaii. There does not seem to be any spot for religion on the form. It’s similar to what I have from Boston in 1978, with the exception that mine doesn’t include the race of my parents. I don’t know what Massachusetts (or the City of Boston) would issue me if I asked for a new copy. I think the one I have is the one my parents got shortly after I was born, which also seems to be the case with the woman in the WND link. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/273 "2011-04-10T22:39:16Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > I don’t know what Massachusetts (or the City of Boston) would issue me if I asked for a new copy. In threads on this subject various posters from various states who have requested a new copy of their birth certificate in recent years have stated that they received something that looks exactly like Obama’s. That format has become standard. My reissue from Maryland in 2001 looks like his. Well, except for the state, and my name, and my date of birth . . . But, besides that, I’m the President! Anyway, if you asked for a new copy, I strongly expect that you would get something that looked just like Obama’s and mine. I’m not going to go digging through the firebox right now, but I have a copy of my original birth certificate (which is a photostat of a page handwritten into Maryland’s vital records), the original of the suitable for framing certificate that the hospital gave my mother, and the aforesaid reissued birth certificate. I’ll give you one guess as to which of those is the only one with any legal value. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/274 "2011-04-10T22:50:53Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I’ll give you one guess as to which of those is the only one with any legal value. Obviously the 2001 copy would be legally valid. But wouldn’t the original photostat also be valid if it had a raised seal from whatever relevant government agency is in charge of such things? The copy I have has does, and I’m pretty sure it’s what I’ve used to get other forms of ID, including a passport. And, without making you dig through old paperwork, the 2001 copy doesn’t contain the place of birth or attending physician, does it? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/275 "2011-04-10T22:58:22Z")
[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more\_politics](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics) > [@](#): > > The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama’s original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is “real” and denounced “conspiracy theorists” in the so-called “birther” movement for continuing to spread bogus claims about the issue. Course, she could be lying. I mean, anyone who worked for a republican governor would certainly lie to protect the democratic campaign. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/276 "2011-04-10T23:09:01Z")
Palin claims Obama who was not wealthy at the time ,spent 2 million dollars covering up his birth certificate. How is that done? Who do you give the money to? How does that cover it up? How do you get newspapers to print stories 50 years ago? Trump thinks doctors and nurses who deliver babies should remember each and every one of them. Why can’t they tell about Obamas birth? It would be amazing if they could. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/277 "2011-04-10T23:15:56Z")
[http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/hawaiian-official-confirms-obama-delivered-by-doctor/](http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/hawaiian-official-confirms-obama-delivered-by-doctor/) How much did this guy get? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/278 "2011-04-10T23:17:52Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > Obviously the 2001 copy would be legally valid. But wouldn’t the original photostat also be valid if it had a raised seal from whatever relevant government agency is in charge of such things? The copy I have has does, and I’m pretty sure it’s what I’ve used to get other forms of ID, including a passport. And, without making you dig through old paperwork, the 2001 copy doesn’t contain the place of birth or attending physician, does it? Ah hell, to the fire box! The old one does have an embossed seal; it was not accepted for my passport. It does not state religion; it does state the “race” of my parents, though, oddly, not mine. 😃 It also included such interesting columns as “Number of children born to mother: Other children now living, Born alive now dead, Born dead” Go figure. Yes, it includes the name of the doctor who certified that I was a live birth. Anyway, the new one does have the county I was born in, but not the city (Navy base, actually) or hospital. It does not include the doctor’s name. It does not have my weight, as that was not a part of the original. It does contain the infamous “Certificate of Live Birth”, which, for some reason, the original also includes. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/279 "2011-04-10T23:37:36Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > Not that I care, but that doesn’t establish much: > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/opinion/lweb08trump.html?\_r=3](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/opinion/lweb08trump.html?_r=3) Except that you cared enough to chase down quotes with a link. Lovely that you’ve now abandoned even the pretense of credibility. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/280 "2011-04-11T00:07:33Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Except that you cared enough to chase down quotes with a link. > > Lovely that you’ve now abandoned even the pretense of credibility. This is rich coming from someone who blatantly misrepresents what other people say & then [lies](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13670441&postcount=470) about things being debunked on this board. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=15)