# Donald Trump is now a birther **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044 "2011-03-17T17:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/281 "2011-04-11T00:13:53Z")
> [@](#): > > [Fukino] … found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. So, is the Birther currently final stand that a copy of the original birth record should be released? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/282 "2011-04-11T00:18:38Z")
No, I think they want to pass around the original to who ever asks for it. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/283 "2011-04-11T00:43:10Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > This is rich coming from someone who blatantly misrepresents what other people say & then [lies](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13670441&postcount=470) about things being debunked on this board. Sorry, kid. I’ve refuted this garbage. So have other posters. The links I’ve posted to articles by Abiola Lapite and Frank Sweet refute the racialist pseudoscience entirely. Anyone who calls himself a “race-realist” is a crank. You and the blogger you try to defend want to make genetic arguments without actually understanding genetics. Hence, you fail repeatedly. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/284 "2011-04-11T00:43:48Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > … Course, she could be lying. I mean, anyone who worked for a republican governor would certainly lie to protect the democratic campaign. Of course she is! Never heard of [_Hollander v. McCain_](http://www.google.com/search?q=McCain&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&pq=mccain%20birth%20certificate&xhr=t&q=Hollander%20v%20McCain&cp=18&pf=p&sclient=psy&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=W4j&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&aq=0v&aqi=&aql=&oq=Hollander+v+McCain&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=53fd2b5286cafcf7&bs=1)? The Republicans snuck Obama’s BC into the vault in Hawaii and the Democrats agreed to a binding resolution making McCain a real citizen! > [@](#): > > [S.RES.511](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:S.RES.511:) A resolution recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen; sponsors: Sen. Claire McCaskill, Sen. [Barack Obama](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Born_Citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution#cite_note-63) et al. Quid pro quo Clarice, quid pro quo!\* CMC fnord! \*What, you didn’t know that Jodie Foster is really a [Chinese-robot-from-the-future](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13067447&postcount=1063) and Anthony Hopkins was desperately trying to warn us? (The money he made from _Hannibal_ and _Red Dragon_ was just a clever way to buy his future silence!) The whole Reagan/Hinckley/[_Taxi Driver_\*](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_De_Niro#Personal_life) thing was just a dry run in case Joe Biden found out the TRUTH!!!11!!one I am deeply ashamed that I actually know more about this, stuff, that has never made it into threads about the subject here. I’d link to the crazy ( **Per Mod Ruling - The ONE and ONLY Obama Birth Certificate Thread** 33,567 Posts and 1,788,062 Views and still going strong!) but I don’t want to be responsible for exposing you all to the inhannity. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/285 "2011-04-11T01:18:49Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Sorry, kid. > > I’ve refuted this garbage. So have other posters. > > The links I’ve posted to articles by Abiola Lapite and Frank Sweet refute the racialist pseudoscience entirely. > > Anyone who calls himself a “race-realist” is a crank. > > You and the blogger you try to defend want to make genetic arguments without actually understanding genetics. Hence, you fail repeatedly. No they haven’t. As I said previously, this was discussed a few months ago in the debates section and it was not refuted. Perhaps you could re-post the links & I’ll take a look at them. At this stage, the most you can say is that genomics research will resolve these debates one way or [another](http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2010/06/china-genomics-without-political.html#): > [@](#): > > But the organisation is involved in even more controversial projects. It is about to embark on a search for the genetic underpinning of intelligence. Two thousand Chinese schoolchildren will have 2,000 of their protein-coding genes sampled, and the results correlated with their test scores at school. Though it will cover less than a tenth of the total number of protein-coding genes, it will be the largest-scale examination to date of the idea that differences between individuals’ intelligence scores are partly due to differences in their DNA. > > Dr Yang is also candid about the possibility of the 1,000-genome project revealing systematic geographical differences in human genetics—or, to put it politically incorrectly, racial differences. The differences that have come to light so far are not in sensitive areas such as intelligence. But if his study of schoolchildren does find genes that help control intelligence, a comparison with the results of the 1,000-genome project will be only a mouse-click away. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/286 "2011-04-11T01:26:19Z")
Aw, not this shit again… ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/287 "2011-04-11T01:33:00Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > No they haven’t. As I said previously, this was discussed a few months ago in the debates section and it was not refuted. > > Perhaps you could re-post the links & I’ll take a look at them. At this stage, the most you can say is that genomics research will resolve these debates one way or [another](http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2010/06/china-genomics-without-political.html#): This is absolutely a hijack; it has nothing to do with Trump or the birthers. Get lost. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/288 "2011-04-11T01:45:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > He hasn’t really, rather coy about that. So far, he just scolds liberals for being so hateful and intolerant of morons, seething with rage, that sort of thing. No, actually I just wonder why this relatively unimportant issue causes libsters to react the way they do, up to and including instantaneous accusations of moronism on the part of the people wonder about it. Frankly, it would look a lot less suspicious to a lot of the people who genuinely question this issue (as opposed to using it cynically for political purposes) if, instead of having third parties state that they’ve seen the original and that it does indeed exist, the original were just made public. Frankly I have to wonder about that myself, given that this has been such a constant pain in the butt to Obama and his presidency. One would think that, instead of having a nurse or the governor state that they had seen it and to take their word on its existence, the document would simply be produced. The fact that all the evidence of its existence seems to come from second-hand sources, when the original could so easily be produced, is sufficient grounds for suspicion in the minds of many who find themselves unsure about this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/289 "2011-04-11T01:53:01Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > This is absolutely a hijack; it has nothing to do with Trump or the birthers. Get lost. Fair enough, as you were. **Belowjob2.0** suggested I had no credibility (totally unnecessary personal attack), so I pointed out that he has made dishonest claims. I’m happy to take that up in another thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/290 "2011-04-11T01:56:01Z")
Genomics and genetics have nothing to do with the legalities of being a US citizen. Bring something relevant or shove the fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/291 "2011-04-11T01:58:52Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, actually I just wonder why this relatively unimportant issue causes libsters to react the way they do, up to and including instantaneous accusations of moronism on the part of the people wonder about it. Because as even Bill O’Reilly, Ann Coulter or Huckabee could tell you, it is a moronic thing. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Frankly, it would look a lot less suspicious to a lot of the people who genuinely question this issue (as opposed to using it cynically for political purposes) if, instead of having third parties state that they’ve seen the original and that it does indeed exist, the original were just made public. Frankly I have to wonder about that myself, given that this has been such a constant pain in the butt to Obama and his presidency. Well, it is not. Really, congress even voted to affirm that Obama was born in Hawaii. > **[The right bails on Birthers - Salon.com](https://www.salon.com/2009/07/28/conservative_birthers/)** > > O'Reilly, Coulter and others call it bunk -- with one, big notable exception This issue is only effective to rile the fringe elements. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > One would think that, instead of having a nurse or the governor state that they had seen it and to take their word on its existence, the document would simply be produced. The fact that all the evidence of its existence seems to come from second-hand sources, when the original could so easily be produced, is sufficient grounds for suspicion in the minds of many who find themselves unsure about this issue. And what you ask is to go against privacy laws and other statutes on not releasing documentation in order to satisfy elements of a fringe movement that will \*\*not \*\*be satisfied even if the document is released. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/292 "2011-04-11T01:59:03Z")
[Is Barack Obama's Birth Certificate Fake? | Snopes.com](http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp) Every question and stupid accusation has been met and answered. How much more proof is required? It will not matter. When someone still believes after all this proof, he is unreachable by logic and reason. Political hatred is strong. it poisons the mind. It keeps you from seeing the obvious truth. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/293 "2011-04-11T01:59:54Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Genomics and genetics have nothing to do with the legalities of being a US citizen. Bring something relevant or shove the fuck off. I [did](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13672129&postcount=254) [above](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13672369&postcount=263). BelowJob2.0 then made a personal attack. I said this was a bit rich from him given his history of dishonest claims. He then posted about genomics above & I responded. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/294 "2011-04-11T02:04:08Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > I did above. BelowJob2.0 then made a personal attack. I said this was a bit rich from him given his history of dishonest claims. He then posted about genomics above & I responded. And once again, there is no need to make it episode 100 of the “teach the controversy like a creationist.” The subject here is different… Like how is that you could come with such moronic cites regarding the birth place of Obama? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/295 "2011-04-11T02:04:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Frankly, it would look a lot less suspicious to a lot of the people who genuinely question this issue (as opposed to using it cynically for political purposes) if, instead of having third parties state that they’ve seen the original and that it does indeed exist, the original were just made public. Frankly I have to wonder about that myself, given that this has been such a constant pain in the butt to Obama and his presidency. One would think that, instead of having a nurse or the governor state that they had seen it and to take their word on its existence, the document would simply be produced. The fact that all the evidence of its existence seems to come from second-hand sources, when the original could so easily be produced, is sufficient grounds for suspicion in the minds of many who find themselves unsure about this issue. Not only a great Richard Nixon, but a great John Mitchell as well. The people who genuinely question that Obama was born in Hawaii are morons. All evidence points to the clear conclusion that Obama was born in Hawaii. There is no evidence that does not point to that conclusion. Your continued refusal to admit that, and to state, “Well, they’re just asking, you know” points to your being a moron as well. Which is not true, so I’ll assume your support of “teach the controversy” as evidence that you are a cynical political opportunist. Which I already knew, so fuck it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/296 "2011-04-11T02:06:25Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > … Donald Trump refuses to believe that Obama was sprouted from a Hawiian acorn. because Kenyans lack the Birth Certificate gene. I fear, at some point, the entire board will just condense into a thread singularity. CMC fnord! Hey **SA** , guess who else (AFAIK) never showed anyone his Birth Certificate? Anyway, I’ve come to feel that you’re ( **Harborwolf** ) one of the good guys on the other side. Several of you I tussled with have become people I respect. **FinnAgain** , **GIGObuster** and **crowmanyclouds** are some of the others. [**Starving Artist**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7497597&postcount=202) Sticks in my gizzard it does. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/297 "2011-04-11T02:08:57Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And what you ask is to go against privacy laws and other statutes on not releasing documentation in order to satisfy elements of a fringe movement that will \*\*not \*\*be satisfied even if the document is released. I would think that the president of the United States would have enough suck to have an exception made in his own case, perhaps, if necessary, even through the courts and or a legal exception granted by Hawaii’s state government. The last I heard, even Hawaii’s governor has seen it, though he’s been assured of its existence - once again - by someone who claims to have seen it. IIRC, the original had somehow been misfiled somewhere and he said he was “going to get to the bottom” of where it was and take a look at it himself. I never heard or read about it if he did, but then like I’ve said before, I’m not particularly invested in this issue in the first place so I might have missed it. As to whether or not the original would quiet suspicion, I suppose that remains to be seen. But would it profit the president for the original to be kept in the dark simply because people won’t believe it if it’s produced? One only adds fuel to the fire and other serves at least to tamp it down somewhat. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/298 "2011-04-11T02:11:09Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [Is Barack Obama's Birth Certificate Fake? | Snopes.com](http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp) Every question and stupid accusation has been met and answered. How much more proof is required? Well, that is what Obama supporter, and Democratic governor Neil Abercrombie hoped to produce. Instead, he made things worse: > [@](#): > > Mike Evans gave an interview to KQRS on January 20, 2011. In that interview he said his good friend, and new Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie, told him personally that he, the Governor, was unable to find Barack Obama’s United States birth certificate. [http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/neil-abercrombie-unable-to-find-barack-obama-birth-certificate/](http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/neil-abercrombie-unable-to-find-barack-obama-birth-certificate/) ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/299 "2011-04-11T02:11:34Z")
I’ve read that Birthers have an average IQ 15% lower than sub-Saharan Africans. I’d have thought it’s be lower than that. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/300 "2011-04-11T02:14:10Z")
[http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born\_in\_the\_usa.html](http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html) Again it has been examined and is real. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=16)