# Donald Trump is now a birther **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044 "2011-03-17T17:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/301 "2011-04-11T02:15:50Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > I’ve read that Birthers have an average IQ 15% lower than sub-Saharan Africans. I’d have thought it’s be lower than that. I think we just got direct evidence here, it is lower, that last cite from Chen019 was shown to be a hoax or a confusion from the original reporter. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/302 "2011-04-11T02:28:41Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > I’ve read that Birthers have an average IQ 15% lower than sub-Saharan Africans. I’d have thought it’s be lower than that. It may well be. That doesn’t really address why the democratic Governor Abercrombie wasn’t allowed/or able to access the certificate so he could bring finality to the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/303 "2011-04-11T02:29:59Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born\_in\_the\_usa.html](http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html) Again it has been examined and is real. That article does not pertain the the original Certificate of Live Birth and you know it. For one thing, if releasing it is a violation of privacy laws, how was FactCheck able to look at and photograph it? And if it was the original document, to be stored in secret ad infinitum, how come FactCheck states that it resides at Obama’s residence in Chicago? People already know that the standard document, routinely issued upon a citizen’s request for a birth certificate, has already been made public. The question in the minds of many is why is there so much confusion as to where the original certificate of live birth resides, and why it hasn’t been made public…and frankly, why some people such as yourself are so eager to insist that the document you refer to is that absolute final resolution to the issue. Believe it or not, there are people out there who are most certainly not morons but who do not follow these issues all that closely because they have families and lives, who hear or read about how the original can’t be found or how they’re supposed to take some nurse’s word for its existence, or how the governor of Hawaii is determined to “get to the bottom” of where it is and look at it for himself, and wonder quite logically if there aren’t shenanigans of some sort going on. I think the issue would have been settled in the minds of those people long ago if the original certificate of live birth had produced to begin with rather than submerged in all this mystery. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/304 "2011-04-11T02:33:32Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > Well, that is what Obama supporter, and Democratic governor Neil Abercrombie hoped to produce. Instead, he made things worse: > > [http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/neil-abercrombie-unable-to-find-barack-obama-birth-certificate/](http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/neil-abercrombie-unable-to-find-barack-obama-birth-certificate/) Wow, your “Not that I care” disclaimer is looking less and less honest with each post you make. I can’t exactly say I find that surprising. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/305 "2011-04-11T02:34:43Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > I’ve read that Birthers have an average IQ 15% lower than sub-Saharan Africans. I’d have thought it’s be lower than that. To be precise, it was not true that Abercrombie said that he could not find the certificate. [http://mediamatters.org/blog/201101270012](http://mediamatters.org/blog/201101270012) > [@](#): > > Mediaite, Fox Nation, Daily Caller Promote Birther Story Later Revealed As Hoax > > January 27, 2011 12:08 pm ET by Eric Hananoki > > On January 20, Mike Evans, a relatively unknown entertainment journalist, claimed on a Twin Cities classic rock station that he had talked to Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie (D) and “Neil says that he searched everywhere using his powers as governor … there is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii. Absolutely no proof at all that he was born in Hawaii.” > > Evans’ story was a hoax. Six days later, Evans told [FoxNews.com](http://FoxNews.com) that “Neil never told me there was no birth certificate … I never talked to him.”\* > > The retraction wasn’t surprising. There is no evidence President Obama was born outside of the United States, and Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star-Advertiser on January 18 that Hawaii indeed has proof of Obama’s birth. > > As a result of their complete lack of evidence, the “birther” movement has been fueled by purported scoops that have turned out to be completely wrong. > > In other words, responsible media outlets should have been hesitant to promote the Evans “no proof” story. Instead several, led by Mediaite, helped legitimize the story, and fuel the fantasies of birthers. And to be even more precise, Chen019 is really clueless. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/306 "2011-04-11T02:36:50Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Sticks in my gizzard it does. Aw, c’mon, **crow**. This isn’t a life-or-death issue. We’re just a few bozos posting to a message board. No reason we can’t still be friends. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/307 "2011-04-11T02:37:03Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > It may well be. That doesn’t really address why the democratic Governor Abercrombie wasn’t allowed/or able to access the certificate so he could bring finality to the issue. Assuming that your link has even the slightest amount of veracity to it, the reason is that it’s illegal for Abercrombie to ask for it. Is the Governor of Maryland allowed to review my original birth certificate? No. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/308 "2011-04-11T02:37:20Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > It may well be. That doesn’t really address why the democratic Governor Abercrombie wasn’t allowed/or able to access the certificate so he could bring finality to the issue. He [apparently](http://www.mediaite.com/online/mike-evans-says-that-oops-he-never-actually-spoke-to-hawaiis-governor-about-barack-obamas-birth-certificate/) never said any such thing. Ambercrombie was actually friends with Obama’s parents when they were married and says they were in the US when Barak was born. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/309 "2011-04-11T02:38:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I think we just got direct evidence here, it is lower, that last cite from Chen019 was shown to be a hoax or a confusion from the original reporter. I think you’ll find that he later said that he “misspoke” on one station. However, that is contradicted by evidence from other stations. > [@](#): > > This morning, Thursday, when I was on the Boyles show, his producer was gathering clips from other stations around the nation on which Evans had appeared last week, and it became clear that the Minneapolis station was not the “only” one on which Evans “misspoke.” > > Last week, in fact, Evans had told the audience of 590 KLBJ in Austin, “Yesterday I talked to Neil. Said that he searched everywhere.” > > Evans had also told the audience of 94.5 KOOL FM in Phoenix, “Yesterday I talked to Neil … said he has searched everywhere using his power as governor … there is no Barack Obama birth certificate.” > **[Still More Prevaricating from Abercrombie Pal](https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/still_more_prevaricating_from.html)** > > Denver radio host Peter Boyles of KHOW 630 AM has been making life miserable for Mike Evans, the celebrity journalist pal of Hawaii governor, Neil Abercrombie.Evans, the reader will recall, first stumbled into the news last week when he told the... ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/310 "2011-04-11T02:38:38Z")
I thought I read in another thread on the subject that ABC reported the governor as saying that he was going to get to the bottom of where it was and take a look at it himself. I’ll see if I can find the post. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/311 "2011-04-11T02:44:24Z")
Keep it up Birthers. I’m sure that if you keep on this topic long enough, you’ll be rewarded at the polls. Keep it going. Keep it in the news. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/312 "2011-04-11T02:47:35Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > I think you’ll find that he later said that he “misspoke” on one station. However, that is contradicted by evidence from other stations. > > [Still More Prevaricating from Abercrombie Pal - American Thinker](http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/still_more_prevaricating_from.html) The American Stinker? Don’t make laugh.. In the end, to support what they claim, they resort to another conspiracy theory. > [@](#): > > Whether or not he lied about his initial conversation with Abercrombie remains to be seen. In either case, someone likely did get to him. Not even FOX played with the birthers: [http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/) > [@](#): > > A celebrity journalist now claims he misspoke when he said last week that Hawaii’s governor told him he was unable to find President Barack Obama’s original birth certificate after a search of state and hospital archives. > > Mike Evans told [FoxNews.com](http://FoxNews.com) on Wednesday he was remorseful and embarrassed that he appeared to have given the impression that he had discussed the search for Obama’s birth certificate with Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie. > > Evans, who says he has been a close friend of Abercrombie since the 1980s, appeared on Minnesota’s KQRS radio last week and said he’d been told by the governor himself that Obama’s birth certificate was nowhere to be found. Evans told KQRS on Jan. 20: > > “Yesterday, talking to Neil’s office, Neil says that he searched everywhere using his powers as governor … there is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii. Absolutely no proof at all that he was born in Hawaii.” > > But that’s no longer Evans’ story. > > “Only this I can you tell you is 100 percent fact: that Neil never told me there was no birth certificate,” Evans told Fox News. “I never talked to him.” ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/313 "2011-04-11T02:48:08Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > That article does not pertain the the original Certificate of Live Birth and you know it. For one thing, if releasing it is a violation of privacy laws, how was FactCheck able to look at and photograph it? And if it was the original document, to be stored in secret ad infinitum, how come FactCheck states that it resides at Obama’s residence in Chicago? OK, now you are a moron. Every picture and every reference in that article refers to the reissue of Obama’s birth certificate. Said reissue is accepted for all purposes that require a birth certificate in the United States. Should I wish an exact copy of my original birth certificate issued in 1957, I could not receive it at this late date. Nor could you. I defy you to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/314 "2011-04-11T02:48:52Z")
Okay, [here’s the post, and a link to the ABC article](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13463705&postcount=185). ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/315 "2011-04-11T02:50:24Z")
Yeah, it’s accepted that he later said he “misspoke”. You then have to assess the credibility of his retraction, given he said on several [stations](http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/still_more_prevaricating_from.html) that Abercrombie had told him he couldn’t find it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/316 "2011-04-11T02:52:26Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > I’ve read that Birthers have an average IQ 15% lower than sub-Saharan Africans. I’d have thought it’s be lower than that. No no, it’s 15% lower than sub-Saharan AFRICA, the actual terrain. Your Birthers are dumber than dirt, and that’s official. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/317 "2011-04-11T02:55:19Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Okay, [here’s the post, and a link to the ABC article](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13463705&postcount=185). “Our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives written down,” Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie told Honolulu’s Star-Advertiser. And back them many did warn Abercrombie that he would not be able to release it, only confirm it to himself and close members of his administration, what happened was indeed predictable, yahoos then made even more conspiracies. Was this trip really necessary? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/318 "2011-04-11T02:56:09Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > OK, now you are a moron. Every picture and every reference in that article refers to the reissue of Obama’s birth certificate. Said reissue is accepted for all purposes that require a birth certificate in the United States. Said reissue is not the original long form certificate, which even the governor of Hawaii says he wants to find in order to put the issue to rest. See the ABC linked article above. > [@Frank](#): > > Should I wish an exact copy of my original birth certificate issued in 1957, I could not receive it at this late date. Nor could you. I defy you to do so. But we’re hearing from multiple second-hand sources that it does exist, so why can’t it be: a) found; and b) produced? This would go a long way toward settling the issue in the minds of people who have legitimate questions about it and to discredit at least some of the people driven by cynical political motivations. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/319 "2011-04-11T02:58:41Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > “Our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives written down,” Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie told Honolulu’s Star-Advertiser. > > And back them many did warn Abercrombie that he would not be able to release it, only confirm it to himself and close members of his administration, what happened was indeed predictable, yahoos then made even more conspiracies. Was this trip really necessary? Why on Earth would an “investigation” into its whereabouts even be necessary? One would think that one could simply go to where the archives are stored, look it up and view it. According to the ABC article, Abercrombie still hadn’t seen it but intended to, and I haven’t read since that he ever has. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/320 "2011-04-11T02:59:25Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > Yeah, it’s accepted that he later said he “misspoke”. You then have to assess the credibility of his retraction, given he said on several [stations](http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/still_more_prevaricating_from.html) that Abercrombie had told him he couldn’t find it. OK. Let’s assume you are correct in this assertion with many missing words replaced by “…”. Obama’s mother is a US citizen. There is an announcement in the papers of Obama’s birth in Hawaii. Claiming this was a ‘plant’ like Trump is no better than the Truthers who want to suck Steven Jones cock for claiming thermite brought down the twin towers on 9/11. The whole idea and what it would involve is laughable. You have Obama’s mother travelling 1/2 way across the world to have her baby in a country with less than stellar medical care for no good reason whatsoever. Birther claims have been full of lies like ‘long form’ and ‘photoshopped’ and other bullshit that makes even Ann Coulter call them bullshit. Get a fucking life you wastrels. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=17)