# Donald Trump is now a birther **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044 "2011-03-17T17:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/581 "2011-04-19T05:53:16Z")
Nice try but all for naught, mon douchebag, for we are not speaking of myself but of non-Dopers far and wide who realize that this non-issue is unworthy of their time. For they, unlike yourselves, have lives and better things to do to spend their time roaming teh interwebs seeking out perches from which to look down upon their betters. But I’m sure that you, in the duplicitous way which defines you, already know that. As for me, even I’m getting tired of my posting to this thread. So unless the Donald should come up with some new way to set you lot atwitter, I believe my time is better spent elsewhere. Ta. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/582 "2011-04-19T06:30:51Z")
> [@](#): > > …I don’t give a shit about the brouhaha over Obama’s birth so I haven’t looked into it… Well, then, who said this? And if “haven’t looked into it” is not an admission of ignorance, what is it? An assertion of information gained by osmosis? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/583 "2011-04-19T06:44:24Z")
That remark was made in response to one of the dozen or so posters trying to make me the focus of the argument rather than people in the public at large. If you’ve read the thread, or at least the part of it that started with my challenge of the liberal deceit that anyone questioning any aspect of Obama’s birth is already by definition an idiot, you’d know that. ---
**Author:** ![Skip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@Skip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skip)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/584 "2011-04-19T07:49:10Z")
> [@](#): > > …or at least the part of it that started with my challenge of the liberal deceit that anyone questioning any aspect of Obama’s birth is already by definition an idiot, you’d know that. Hold up now. Are they actively questioning Obama’s birth or are they merely shrugging their shoulders and going who cares when they hear a report on the issue? The latter I can agree on. It’s a non-issue, who gives a shit. The former indicates that they would (or at least should) be doing further investigation and about 5 minutes into it should be coming to the conclusion that Obama was born in Hawaii in the face of overwhelming evidence for and none against. If they continue to believe that this is all part of some massive conspiracy then by definition yes they are idiots. If they hear a report, question Obamas birth and then don’t do any follow up then they’re probably just a bunch of racists finally vindicated in believing that there is no way an uppity coloured could have legitimately won an election. That’s about as likely, if not more so, then any of the “What ifs” you put forward. ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/585 "2011-04-19T09:10:40Z")
Seriously, **Starving Artist** , where do _you_ believe Obama was born? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/586 "2011-04-19T09:35:01Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I haven’t asked for a debate, I’m merely stating an opinion. I said was that you’re doing a shitty job of debating because that’s obviously what you’re trying to do. And I never asked for respect. That was a self-serving dodge of **luci’s** intended to set him up as the arbiter of whether or not I deserve it. Once again you miss the point. I’ve already said that I’m not debating you and I have no interest in debating you. > [@](#): > > P.S. - You’re wrong about “self-serving” too. For example, I don’t give a shit about the brouhaha over Obama’s birth so I haven’t looked into it. Still, I’ll argue with idiots like you over whether that is acceptable. Once again you admit to being willfully ignorant and prove my point for me. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Sorry, I really haven’t been talking about me. I’ve been challenging the incredibly stupid charge that anyone who may have a question arise about Obama’s birth are themselves stupid. Yes yes. You’re just asking stupid questions.:rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Plus, a question and an opinion are two different things. Sorry. You’re sharing stupid opinions.:rolleyes::rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Plus, I note yet another request that I shut up about this issue. Why do you fear alternative explanations? Oh yeah. Everyone is so scared of your questions…opinions…wait. Now you’re sharing explanations? You mistake irritation at your inability to read and process information for fear. Also I suspect some people are tired of your bullshit. Not me though. I could do this for as long as you can. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Oh, they hold up just fine to people not emotionally and politically invested in denying them. Yes…I’m emotionally invested in denying bullshit. It’s part of my political views that people denying actual reality need to be confronted with the fact that they are idiots and not coddled like some people think they should be. And by some people, I mean coddled by their fellow simpletons. And by “their fellow simpletons,” I mean you. You’re a simpleton. And a jackass. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > That remark was made in response to one of the dozen or so posters trying to make me the focus of the argument rather than people in the public at large. If you’ve read the thread, or at least the part of it that started with my challenge of the liberal deceit that anyone questioning any aspect of Obama’s birth is already by definition an idiot, you’d know that. It’s not liberal deceit. It’s reality. If you deny a plainly obvious fact, you’re a fucking idiot. If that’s political to you, you’ve got some big giant issues that you need to get the fuck over. Sorry. I forgot who I was talking to. What I should have said was, “Of course that would be political to you. You’ve got some big giant fucking issues that you need to get over. Get some help you overly politicized jackass.” > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nice try but all for naught, mon douchebag, for we are not speaking of myself but of non-Dopers far and wide who realize that this non-issue is unworthy of their time. For they, unlike yourselves, have lives and better things to do to spend their time roaming teh interwebs seeking out perches from which to look down upon their betters. But I’m sure that you, in the duplicitous way which defines you, already know that. As for me, even I’m getting tired of my posting to this thread. So unless the Donald should come up with some new way to set you lot atwitter, I believe my time is better spent elsewhere. > > Ta. And another fond farewell as he declares victory and buggers off. Totally nailed me by the way. I’m always looking up things like “facts” and using them in a desperate attempt to make myself feel better than my betters because me being the liberal elite that I am knows deep down inside that I can never compare to people that are too fucking lazy to actually find something out for themselves. Sure nailed me. Patronizing ass. Carrying on constantly about the nobility of the stupid and the lazy. Making it seem as if information was hard to find. You’re still an overly politicized idiot with delusions of grandeur and a yellow streak a mile wide. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/587 "2011-04-19T09:35:57Z")
> [@Algorithm](#): > > Seriously, **Starving Artist** , where do _you_ believe Obama was born? _ **That’s not the point!!!** _ Apparently. ---
**Author:** ![flodnak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/838e76/32.png) [@flodnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flodnak)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/588 "2011-04-19T10:24:03Z")
> [@Palo\_Verde](#): > > So the question of whether he was was born in the US or not doesn’t even matter. He would be a citizen regardless. No, and this is the **only** part of the birthers’ arguments that holds water. A child born in identical circumstances to Obama, _except_ outside the United States, would not have been a citizen under the laws in effect at that time. At the time, if one parent was a US citizen and the other was not, and the child was born outside the US, the child would acquire US citizenship _only if_ the US citizen parent had lived in the US for at least ten years, at least five of which were after the parent’s fourteenth birthday. This means an eighteen-year-old mother would have been too young to pass on her citizenship. The laws have since changed to shorten the residency requirement. For a child born in the United States, of course, none of this matters, and hasn’t since the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/589 "2011-04-19T12:43:39Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Many is the time I’ve heard dubious claims of expertise to support an argument, but unsubstantiated claims of ignorance? That is truly thinking inside the rocks, the product of a steel-trap mind rusted shut. > > If that should prove true, I think we should honor this moment with a salute to original thinking, and let it be known, now and forever, as the **Starkers** Gambit. He was inspired by Jon Kyl’s “remark was not intended to be a factual statement” ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/590 "2011-04-19T12:52:53Z")
Speaking of Trump … weren’t we speaking of Trump? Oh. I see. Well, to change the subject, then … anybody see Trump’s interview on GMA this morning? “Next question, George. Next question!” He sounded like a complete ass. I cannot believe he’s actually planning to run as a serious candidate. In other news, _ **everybody** _ knows Chester A. Arthur was born in Swaziland, and things worked out just fine while he was President. C’mon, we never saw his birth certificate, right? And I’m too busy to actually pay attention to, you know, facts and crap like that. Whatever I hear in passing, that must be true, or else people wouldn’t say it! ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/591 "2011-04-19T14:36:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …As for me, even I’m getting tired of my posting to this thread. So unless the Donald should come up with some new way to set you lot atwitter, I believe my time is better spent elsewhere… > > Ta. So you post here, on a Board where the motto is ‘fighting ignorance’, to argue on behalf of the lazy and, well, ignorant. Perhaps a good ‘elsewhere’ might be far, far away? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/592 "2011-04-19T14:53:01Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … I believe my time is better spent elsewhere. … [del]Wyatt Earp[/del] **Starving Artist:** I just want you to know it’s over between us. [del]Curly Bill[/del] Poster in this thread: Well… bye. [del]Johnny Ringo[/del] Other poster in this thread (OK, me): Smell that, [del]Bill[/del] guys? Smells like someone died. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/593 "2011-04-19T18:51:57Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Culminating in the Grand Finale of “If you don’t agree with me, or at least give my fact-free opinions the respect they deserve, then you don’t believe in Freedom of Speech!” > > It’s a thing of beauty. > > Tune in again next week, when we can hear about how the Liberal Meanies have forced the Nice Conservatives to lie, cheat and steal. “They had no choice, because the Liberal Meanies did it first/made them do it.” Of course, it’s the liberals’ fault. If they had any decency, they would have given in back at **SA** ’s arguments of “Your insistence on pointing out the moronicity of the birthers means they must be hitting close to home” or “When you liberal douchebags resort to insults, I must be winning.” But no, they forced **SA** to use the “Stop threatening my free speech!” gambit. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/594 "2011-04-20T03:04:55Z")
I prefer the ‘“I have stuff to do and I will address your posts tomorrow” and never actually coming back to the thread’ gambit. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/595 "2011-04-20T03:14:17Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I prefer the ‘“I have stuff to do and I will address your posts tomorrow” and never actually coming back to the thread’ gambit. Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/596 "2011-04-20T03:20:06Z")
What, no love for the “I have stuff to do and am leaving now” only to come back five or ten or twenty times after that gambit? I’m sure those occasions vastly outnumber the ones where I’ve said I’d come back and didn’t. It sometimes happens in life that we end up doing differently than we expect. C’est la vie. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/597 "2011-04-20T04:14:31Z")
Did anyone hear something? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/598 "2011-04-20T06:50:53Z")
> [@flodnak](#): > > No, and this is the **only** part of the birthers’ arguments that holds water. A child born in identical circumstances to Obama, _except_ outside the United States, would not have been a citizen under the laws in effect at that time. At the time, if one parent was a US citizen and the other was not, and the child was born outside the US, the child would acquire US citizenship _only if_ the US citizen parent had lived in the US for at least ten years, at least five of which were after the parent’s fourteenth birthday. This means an eighteen-year-old mother would have been too young to pass on her citizenship. I dunno, I’ve always thought that seemed so contrary to the purpose and intent of the law that it doesn’t feel right. I can’t imagine that in all the years the law has been in effect in that form, there wasn’t ONE time when it mattered? Then again, having a baby at that age might’ve been frowned on enough that no one pressed the matter. Still, my point/feeling stands. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/599 "2011-04-20T09:12:55Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I prefer the ‘“I have stuff to do and I will address your posts tomorrow” and never actually coming back to the thread’ gambit. Nothing trumps the “Sorry for the gibberish I am spouting, it must be the goofball I just took” gambit. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/600 "2011-04-20T09:29:23Z")
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