# Donald Trump is now a birther **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044 "2011-03-17T17:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/621 "2011-04-20T20:21:58Z")
Even Michele Bachman is backing away from the birther nutters [Bachmann joins GOPers distancing themselves from birther issue - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/20/arizona.president.bill.veto/index.html?hpt=C1) You know if it’s too wacky for Bachman, it’s really really wacky. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/622 "2011-04-20T21:14:24Z")
> [@Palo\_Verde](#): > > Even Michele Bachman is backing away from the birther nutters [Bachmann joins GOPers distancing themselves from birther issue - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/20/arizona.president.bill.veto/index.html?hpt=C1) > > You know if it’s too wacky for Bachman, it’s really really wacky. Much of her fan club seems to be deserting her over her craven surrender to the forces of logic and reason. (Warning: [Here](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2707986/posts) be FReepers) ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/623 "2011-04-20T21:21:21Z")
"Bachmann said Wednesday that she accepted the validity of a signed, stamped Certification of Live Birth that showed the president was born in Hawaii in 1961. “Well, then that should settle it,” Bachmann, a favorite of the conservative Tea Party movement, said on seeing the document…Asked if that ended the story. Bachmann said “I guess it’s over” Will wonders never cease. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/624 "2011-04-20T21:33:07Z")
Its a trap! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/625 "2011-04-20T21:35:38Z")
Some political advisor must have told her she needed to drop this if she was really entertaining any serious thoughts at all about running for a national election. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/626 "2011-04-20T21:37:49Z")
> [@Palo\_Verde](#): > > "Bachmann said Wednesday that she accepted the validity of a signed, stamped Certification of Live Birth that showed the president was born in Hawaii in 1961. “Well, then that should settle it,” Bachmann, a favorite of the conservative Tea Party movement, said on seeing the document…Asked if that ended the story. Bachmann said “I guess it’s over” > Will wonders never cease. That’s okay. [Someone else](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/20/charlie-sheen-a-birther-obama-birth-certificate_n_851346.html)has picked up her torch. [QUOTE=Charlie Sheen] “For starters, I was f\*\*king born here, how about that? And I got proof! Nothing photoshopped about my birth certificate,” Sheen said; the Washington Post reports that the comment elicited mostly cheers. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/627 "2011-04-20T21:40:24Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Much of her fan club seems to be deserting her over her craven surrender to the forces of logic and reason. > > (Warning: [Here](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2707986/posts) be FReepers) But but… I’m so confused. Are the not the people that Starving Artist assured us were > [@](#): > > too busy trying to earn a living and shuttle their kids back and forth between soccer games and play rehearsals to keep up with things like people on this board do… ?? They don’t seem too busy to figure out the facts. Actually, they seem to be quite adept at posting on a board like this one, and do seem to be quite opinionated and animated about the Birther issue. So… too busy to ferret out the truth? It does not seem so with these folks. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/628 "2011-04-20T21:58:04Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Some political advisor must have told her she needed to drop this if she was really entertaining any serious thoughts at all about running for a national election. Then let us take some comfort in the fact that it is possible for to choose that course of action over firing the adviser. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/629 "2011-04-20T22:01:41Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Some political advisor must have told her she needed to drop this if she was really entertaining any serious thoughts at all about running for a national election. Karl Rove. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/630 "2011-04-20T22:09:24Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > That’s okay. [Someone else](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/20/charlie-sheen-a-birther-obama-birth-certificate_n_851346.html)has picked up her torch. Sheen/Busey 2012! ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/631 "2011-04-20T22:30:00Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Sheen/Busey 2012! That’d certainly prove all those mayan/2012 people right. And honestly if we’re going to go, those two would take us out in rather grand fashion. The idea has a certain “Why the fuck not” charm to it. Count me in. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/632 "2011-04-21T00:27:35Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Here’;s my problem with this claim (and I trust you’ll concede I’m not saying this because I’m a hopelessly partisan lefty). It’s a contentious and highly relevant claim about a very simple issue, with the evidence readily available. > > I admit, for exmaple, that we might even allow that someone who said, “Well, there might be something to the ‘death panels’ in Obamacare…” cannot be dismissed as unreasonable. The bill is long; the regulations to implement the bill still mostly unwritten; common-sense tells us some sort of medical care rationing at some level is necessary. Someone with no time to research the issue might lend credence to the idea that ‘death panels’ is a fair description of what’s planned. > > Obviously, even a small amount of research would dispel the notion. > > With respect to Obama’s birth, though, the issue is very simple, and the evidence equally so. While I admit there’s a lot of fluff about “long form” and “short form” birth certificates floating around, the one simple piece of evidence is that Obama’s birth was announced in the Hawaiian newspaper. This is something (birth announcements in newspapers) that everyone has some experience with, and which from a non-legal but completely common-sense standpoint completely eviscerates the idea he was born in Kenya. We don’t need to parse Congress’ intent in granting citizenship to children born overseas; we simply have to hear that the Barack Obama birth was in Hawaii because the newspaper at the time announced it. Yes, a small amount of research would dispel the notion, but first two things have to happen. One, there has to be enough interest and motivation to cause someone to decide to research it; and two, they would need to happen upon the correct information. I say happen upon because the newspaper announcement isn’t obvious and it isn’t something that would occur to most people. So unless they happen to come across a Google (or some other) hit that brings it up, they won’t know about it. Again, there are lots of people out there who see or hear snippets of information…often conflicting snippets of information…with regard to this issue who simply aren’t interested in the subject enough to research it, nor to weed through the conflicting information they know is out there on the subject. Take for example the Drudge page from earlier today. At the top were blurbs which read: “Missing documents in Hawaii. Missing documents in Kenya. Missing documents in Indonesia.” “The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President” These lines were followed by the cover photograph of an upcoming book entitled: _WHERE’S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President_ by Jerome R. Corsi, PhD Now, people happening upon that Drudge page, or another page either referring to or derived from it, would clearly get the impression from this blurb that there may be legitimate questions regarding Obama’s birth and his eligibility to be president. But they also get impressions from links to dozens of other articles on the same page, and they be no more inclined to click on the Obama book article than they are on any of the other links. They may just not care much one way or the other. But they still come away with an impression that there are things regarding the circumstances and documents related to Obama’s birth that seem to be in question. What I’m saying is that this person can not necessarily be judged to be stupid simply because that impression didn’t cause him to then go ferreting about on the internet trying to get to the bottom of it. People may be unconcerned; they may be oblivious; or they may be of the opinion that what they may learn would be of no consequence anyway since it’s up to congress and the courts to determine whether the issue has merit. There are lots of reasons why people may pick up impressions of this issue but not be sufficiently arsed to investigate it. And what I’m also saying is that it is no indicator of their intelligence if they aren’t. For some time I’ve been of the belief that posters in the thread who don’t seem to get that point understood it full well were just yanking my chain, but the fact that you don’t seem to understand it either has given me pause. All I can say now is that if this post doesn’t make my point clear to you as a person with no liberal axe to grind, then I guess I may just have to give up trying to explain it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/633 "2011-04-21T00:34:41Z")
Who the hells just “happens” upon the Drudge? That’s like saying you were walking _past_ the whorehouse, but fell in. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/634 "2011-04-21T00:35:43Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Uh yeah, right. Stupid liberals, evil liberals, picking on you and not fawning every time you puke up the same stupid ass bull shit. The same stupid ass bullshit that’s already been debunked in the news, and disproven in the news, and then you try to hide behind the “I’m just asking the question” crap when the question is still the same identical horse shit. Just STFU. Oh shit. Here come the tears I bet. Big meany is picking on you. Fuck respect. We are not required to respect a damn thing. \*\*Free speech gives us the RIGHT to disrespect the hell out of it. \*\* > > _“You know what makes me sad? You do. Why don’t we chug on over to Namby Pamby Land and buy you some self respect ya jackwagon. Tissue?”_ > > Have a fucking tissue. I couldn’t care less if you disrespect it or me. As I said in the very post you quoted, the “respect” issue is a con job dreamt up by **luci**. I never said a word about it. And if you want to call my objection to the notion of being limited to a certain number of posts per thread to be whining or feeling picked on, well, all I can say to that is: you’re a dumbass. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/635 "2011-04-21T00:36:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yes, a small amount of research would dispel the notion, but first two things have to happen. One, there has to be enough interest and motivation to cause someone to decide to research it; and two, they would need to happen upon the correct information. I say happen upon because the newspaper announcement isn’t obvious and it isn’t something that would occur to most people. So unless they happen to come across a Google (or some other) hit that brings it up, they won’t know about it. > > Again, there are lots of people out there who see or hear snippets of information…often conflicting snippets of information…with regard to this issue who simply aren’t interested in the subject enough to research it, nor to weed through the conflicting information they know is out there on the subject. > > Take for example the Drudge page from earlier today. At the top were blurbs which read: > > “Missing documents in Hawaii. Missing documents in Kenya. Missing documents in Indonesia.” > > “The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President” > > These lines were followed by the cover photograph of an upcoming book entitled: > > _WHERE’S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? > The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President_ > by Jerome R. Corsi, PhD > > Now, people happening upon that Drudge page, or another page either referring to or derived from it, would clearly get the impression from this blurb that there may be legitimate questions regarding Obama’s birth and his eligibility to be president. > > But they also get impressions from links to dozens of other articles on the same page, and they be no more inclined to click on the Obama book article than they are on any of the other links. They may just not care much one way or the other. But they still come away with an impression that there are things regarding the circumstances and documents related to Obama’s birth that seem to be in question. What I’m saying is that this person can not necessarily be judged to be stupid simply because that impression didn’t cause him to then go ferreting about on the internet trying to get to the bottom of it. People may be unconcerned; they may be oblivious; or they may be of the opinion that what they may learn would be of no consequence anyway since it’s up to congress and the courts to determine whether the issue has merit. There are lots of reasons why people may pick up impressions of this issue but not be sufficiently arsed to investigate it. And what I’m also saying is that it is no indicator of their intelligence if they aren’t. > > For some time I’ve been of the belief that posters in the thread who don’t seem to get that point understood it full well were just yanking my chain, but the fact that you don’t seem to understand it either has given me pause. All I can say now is that if this post doesn’t make my point clear to you as a person with no liberal axe to grind, then I guess I may just have to give up trying to explain it. 🙂 Hey coward! Any chance you gonna take a moment to address my post? When you run away like a hysterical bitch it really doesn’t do you much good. No one here (aside from Clothahump) respects you. Wouldn’t you like to change that? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/636 "2011-04-21T00:44:41Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Who the hells just “happens” upon the Drudge? That’s like saying you were walking _past_ the whorehouse, but fell in. There are lots of reasons why a person not interested in Obama’s birth might go to Drudge’s page. It’s a handy repository of links to a variety of news stories. It’s a handy repository of links to a variety of columnists, including more that a few who are liberal columnists. And there are tons of reasons and occasions where the Drudge Report might be mentioned elsewhere out on teh intarwebs, and people can find themselves directed to it from there as well. Anything else? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/637 "2011-04-21T01:12:11Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Hey coward! Any chance you gonna take a moment to address my post? Nope. Schoolyard taunts didn’t work when I was a child and they don’t work here either. > [@Lobohan](#): > > No one here (aside from Clothahump) respects you. Not so. I even get admiring PMs from time to time congratulating me on my ability to withstand the shitstorm. And more often than not they come from liberal posters. Who’da thunk it, huh? Other times I get messages guiding me to some particularly egregious bits of liberal bullshit because the posters who send them know I’ll say what they admittedly don’t have the courage to say themselves. Now you can believe this or not, I don’t care. The only reason I mention it is to let you know that I know better. (Not that it would matter anyway. In case you hadn’t noticed, I’m not exactly trying to win a popularity contest here.) > [@Lobohan](#): > > Wouldn’t you like to change that? What I would like to change is your maturity level. Your intelligence I regard as hopeless. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/638 "2011-04-21T01:15:48Z")
Jerome Corsi is nuts. In World Net Daily he championed this \*\*fake \*\*birth certificate that allegedly came from Kenya: > **[Home 2024 \* WorldNetDaily](https://www.wnd.com/?pageId=109242)** > > A Free Press For A Free People Since 1997 But a simple look at Snopes shows this: [http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/kenyacert2.jpg](http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/kenyacert2.jpg) > [@](#): > > Another Barack Obama “Kenyan birth certificate” of dubious origin was offered for sale by one Lucas Smith via eBay in August 2009 [Yes the same certificate mentioned by Corsi]: > > This document exhibited many of the same red flags as the previous forgery, including its identification of the location of Barack Obama Jr.'s birth as Mombasa, even though that city was very far away from the part of Kenya in which Barack Obama Sr.'s family lived: > The image is part of the extremely ill-informed conspiracy theory that Obama was born in Mombasa — conveniently, one of the more Muslim parts of the country. > > **This has always been a red flag for conspiracy theorists, so it deserves some explanation. Barack Obama Sr. was born and educated in Nyanza Province, in southwestern Kenya, on Lake Victoria. This is the area where Obama’s family lived and continues to live; Sarah Obama, the step-grandmother of the president, lives in Nyang’oma Kogelo, a small town in the province. But Mombasa is a city on the Indian Ocean, a thousand miles to the east. It didn’t even have an international airport until 1979.** > [@](#): > > In September 2009, Orly Taitz attempted to introduce the second “Kenyan birth certificate” in the case of Rhodes v. MacDonald as evidence that Barack Obama was born outside the United States. U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land dismissed the complaint and threatened to sanction Ms. Taitz if she filed any similarly frivolous motions in the future: > > > [@](#): > > > > Plaintiff has demonstrated no likelihood of success on the merits. Her claims are based on sheer conjecture and speculation. She alleges no factual basis for her “hunch” or “feeling” or subjective belief that the President was not born in the United States … Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so. > > > > Plaintiff’s counsel, who champions herself as a defender of liberty and freedom, seeks to use the power of the judiciary to compel a citizen, albeit the President of the United States, to “prove his innocence” to “charges” that are based [solely] upon conjecture and speculation. Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning [the] fundamental principles upon which our country was founded in order to purportedly “protect and preserve” those very principles. > > > > Plaintiff’s counsel is hereby notified that the filing of any future actions in this Court, which are similarly frivolous, shall subject counsel to sanctions. So yeah, it does not matter that the courts tell them to take a hike, and they do.. attempting to then take it to the court of public opinion, but as even Bachman could tell you the birters are a fringe of a fringe. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/639 "2011-04-21T01:16:50Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > There are lots of reasons why a person not interested in Obama’s birth might go to Drudge’s page. It’s a handy repository of links to a variety of news stories. So people might go to the Drudge Report to find lots of handy links to news stories, but not actually be interested in reading those stories? > [@](#): > > But they also get impressions from links to dozens of other articles on the same page, and they be no more inclined to click on the Obama book article than they are on any of the other links. They may just not care much one way or the other. But they still come away with an impression that there are things regarding the circumstances and documents related to Obama’s birth that seem to be in question. What I’m saying is that this person can not necessarily be judged to be stupid simply because that impression didn’t cause him to then go ferreting about on the internet trying to get to the bottom of it. People may be unconcerned; they may be oblivious; or they may be of the opinion that what they may learn would be of no consequence anyway since it’s up to congress and the courts to determine whether the issue has merit. There are lots of reasons why people may pick up impressions of this issue but not be sufficiently arsed to investigate it. And what I’m also saying is that it is no indicator of their intelligence if they aren’t. Anyone who bases their beliefs on any internet sites’s front page is willfully ignorant or blindly stupid. I don’t care whether that person is on my side or yours. Knowledge requires research and study, and people who who don’t do the work don’t get credit. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/640 "2011-04-21T01:19:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > There are lots of reasons why a person not interested in Obama’s birth might go to Drudge’s page. It’s a handy repository of links to a variety of news stories. It’s a handy repository of links to a variety of columnists, including more that a few who are liberal columnists. And there are tons of reasons and occasions where the Drudge Report might be mentioned elsewhere out on teh intarwebs, and people can find themselves directed to it from there as well. > > Anything else? Yeah. I got something, you nitwit. These hypothetical people who are bereft of any and all free time whatsoever is just going to be fucking around on the goddamned drudge report and what? Stop there? They’ve got that much time but not a single minute more. I can’t wait to see how you get out of the corner your dumb ass just painted yourself into. I’m assuming just ignoring my post the same way you are ignoring Lobohan’s [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=33)