# Donald Trump is now a birther **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044 "2011-03-17T17:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/641 "2011-04-21T01:19:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Not so. I even get admiring PMs from time to time congratulating me on my ability to withstand the shitstorm. And more often than not they come from liberal posters. Who’da thunk it, huh? I did before, it is only foolish to ignore that many liberals do know that a silly git like you does wonders to discredit conservatives and republicans, so as I said several years ago, “keep going” you are helping us a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/642 "2011-04-21T01:19:29Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nope. Schoolyard taunts didn’t work when I was a child and they don’t work here either. I resort to schoolyard taunts because you run away like a scared child. > [@](#): > > Not so. I even get admiring PMs from time to time congratulating me on my ability to withstand the shitstorm. And more often than not they come from liberal posters. Who’da thunk it, huh? Since you’re a cowardly liar, I don’t have any reason at all to believe you. But I’ll grant that your particular brand of ignorant stupidity has a depressing number of adherents. > [@](#): > > Other times I get messages guiding me to some particularly egregious bits of liberal bullshit because the posters who send them know I’ll say what they admittedly don’t have the courage to say themselves. You’re hardly brave. You are so afraid of having your ignorant bullshit challenged you run full speed away from facts. > [@](#): > > Now you can believe this or not, I don’t care. The only reason I mention it is to let you know that I know better. (Not that it would matter anyway. In case you hadn’t noticed, I’m not exactly trying to win a popularity contest here.) You aren’t trying to honestly debate or live in a world of facts either. > [@](#): > > What I would like to change is your maturity level. Says the man with fingers in ears screaming, “Lalalalalalala”. > [@](#): > > Your intelligence I regard as hopeless. 😃 Yet you still don’t address the facts you are afraid of. You are factually wrong and I’d like you to admit that. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/643 "2011-04-21T01:22:37Z")
Corsi was one of the swiftboaters too, and also wrote a book accusing Obama of being a secret Muslim. he’s an equal opportunity nutbag, though. He’s also a 911 Truther and says that John McCain is in League with al Qaeda. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/644 "2011-04-21T01:22:53Z")
Isn’t this the point where you announce you’re going to take a pill, leaving us to sift through the dubious gift of your immense pile of words in a fruitless search for facts? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/645 "2011-04-21T01:28:25Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Isn’t this the point where you announce you’re going to take a pill, leaving us to sift through the dubious gift of your immense pile of words in a fruitless search for facts? For one thing, we’re being mean to him so he’l blame it on all of us and run away for good…again. For another, his opinions are facts. Just like his hypotheticals aren’t hypothetical at all but an actual factual representation of a real life that we just cannot understand. It’s like you haven’t even been reading the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/646 "2011-04-21T01:29:14Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Some political advisor must have told her she needed to drop this if she was really entertaining any serious thoughts at all about running for a national election. > [@jsgoddess](#): > > Karl Rove. What’s the most frightening thought here? [ul] [li]Karl Rove takes Bachmann seriously enough to advise her[/li][li]Bachmann has just enough brains to listen to him[/li][li]Bachmann listening to him implies she \*\*_is_ \*\*seriously considering being a candidate[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/647 "2011-04-21T01:41:56Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > So people might go to the Drudge Report to find lots of handy links to news stories, but not actually be interested in reading those stories? > Anyone who bases their beliefs on any internet sites’s front page is willfully ignorant or blindly stupid. I don’t care whether that person is on my side or yours. Knowledge requires research and study, and people who who don’t do the work don’t get credit. I’m not arguing that they’ve done work or that they deserve credit. I’m simply saying they’re out of the loop. And that being out of the loop doesn’t necessarily mean they’re stupid. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Jerome Corsi is nuts. That may well be. But how are people looking at Drudge’s page and otherwise knowing nothing about him going to know that? All they see is an authoritative looking book written by someone with a PhD. And besides, what does my view of Corsi have to do with my argument? For the 1,879th time, I’m not talking about myself. > [@Vinyl Turnip](#): > > Isn’t this the point where you announce you’re going to take a pill… No it isn’t, though I may leave to tend to other things whenever necessity or desire for alternative amusement requires it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/648 "2011-04-21T01:45:36Z")
Hey liar. Enjoying pretending that you’re correct? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/649 "2011-04-21T01:46:35Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m not arguing that they’ve done work or that they deserve credit. I’m simply saying they’re out of the loop. And that being out of the loop doesn’t necessarily mean they’re stupid. But looking at the loop. Hanging around the loop. Getting to within mere centimeters of the loop. Then wandering away from the loop without taking the single step to come in? Yeah. They’re fucking stupid. And the sad thing is that you actually think that you are making sense with this scenario when you’re all but defeating your own fucking argument. > [@](#): > > No it isn’t, though I may leave to tend to other things whenever necessity or desire for alternative amusement requires it. You mean when you need to run away. Just say it. You’re scared to admit that you’re wrong. The first step is to admit that you have a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/650 "2011-04-21T01:48:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nope. Schoolyard taunts didn’t work when I was a child and they don’t work here either. Oh, [yeah they do](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13707619&postcount=600); you’re like a big ol’ carp rising whenever we throw day-old waffles in your pond. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/651 "2011-04-21T01:49:46Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Yeah. I got something, you nitwit. These hypothetical people who are bereft of any and all free time whatsoever is just going to be fucking around on the goddamned drudge report and what? Stop there? They’ve got that much time but not a single minute more. > > I can’t wait to see how you get out of the corner your dumb ass just painted yourself into. I’m assuming just ignoring my post the same way you are ignoring Lobohan’s Okay, since you’re feeling butthurt and all because I’m ignoring you, I’ll answer your question: They may stop there if they see nothing they want to read about. Or they may go to some other story they think looks interesting. Or they may click on one of the columnists’ links or links to other news sites such as Reuters, UPI or Agence France-Presse. There is a lot to Drudge’s page besides stuff liberals don’t like, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/652 "2011-04-21T01:52:58Z")
Hey coward. Heard any facts that upset you lately? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/653 "2011-04-21T01:57:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > That may well be. But how are people looking at Drudge’s page and otherwise knowing nothing about him going to know that? Once again, you are only defending the willful ignorance of the birthers. > [@](#): > > [PolitiFact | Obama did not take sides in Kenya](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/aug/20/jerome-corsi/obama-did-not-take-sides-in-kenya/) > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > All they see is an authoritative looking book written by someone with a PhD. In Political science, not history or investigative reporting, As I have seen in discussions on global warming, scientific racism, 9/11, moon hoaxes and others, there are a lot of people with PHDs that abuse their titles by pretending to be experts on unrelated fields. And considering that what Corsi wrote before was trash, it is still silly to use ignorance as a defense. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And besides, what does my view of Corsi have to do with my argument? For the 1,879th time, I’m not talking about myself. Your ignorance on Corsi is the issue now when you thought that his book would help your cause of defending the ones that are numbnuts for birther causes. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/654 "2011-04-21T01:59:08Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Okay, since you’re feeling butthurt and all because I’m ignoring you, I’ll answer your question: They may stop there if they see nothing they want to read about. Or they may go to some other story they think looks interesting. Or they may click on one of the columnists’ links or links to other news sites such as Reuters, UPI or Agence France-Presse. There is a lot to Drudge’s page besides stuff liberals don’t like, you know. I don’t give a fuck what you think of me or what’s on the drudge report (though golly that’s a name that screams journalistic credibility). The point that you just can’t seem to grasp is that you posited a segment of humanity that just doesn’t have the time to do anything mildly informative and then have them fucking around blindly on the internet. That’s the point. You can’t even stay consistent in your own made up scenarios. Either that or these people that you’ve imagined don’t care enough to bother to educate themselves making them willfully ignorant which proves my point. I should just let you post without me interrupting because you are literally making my case for me. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/655 "2011-04-21T02:03:03Z")
You would never accept the kind of defenses you’re making for Truthers, **SA** , and it would be just as easy to do so. Truthers got short shrift around here and got mocked without mercy when they posted here. You don’t hurt yourself by being willing to call out the nutters and morons on your own side. We do it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/656 "2011-04-21T02:03:39Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Once again, you are only defending the willful ignorance of the birthers.. The people I’m talking about aren’t birthers. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/657 "2011-04-21T02:10:56Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You would never accept the kind of defenses you’re making for Truthers, **SA** , and it would be just as easy to do so. Truthers got short shrift around here and got mocked without mercy when they posted here. You don’t hurt yourself by being willing to call out the nutters and morons on your own side. We do it. You’d have a point, **Dio** , but I’m not talking about people like Truthers. For the most part the people I’m talking about don’t really have much of an opinon one way or the other; they just occasionally have their curiosity peaked when they happen upon something that sounds questionable. They aren’t convinced of anything and they aren’t making assertions, they’re just going through their lives taking care of work and family business and engaging in recreational activities they enjoy. It would be different if I were talking about “Birthers”, who are the people intentionally and dishonestly trying to make political hay of the issue, but I’m not. Birthers are the equivalent to Truthers, not the people I’m talking about who at best have only casual interest in the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/658 "2011-04-21T02:12:59Z")
_ahem_ _Piqued._ Anyway, exactly who are these hypothetical people? Why do they need defending? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/659 "2011-04-21T02:15:19Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > _ahem_ > > _Piqued._ > > Anyway, exactly who are these hypothetical people? Why do they need defending? And more importantly, where are their birth certificates? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/660 "2011-04-21T02:24:20Z")
> [@Really Not All That Bright](#): > > _ahem_ > > Piqued. > > Anyway, exactly who are these hypothetical people? Why do they need defending? Heh. I knew that didn’t look right but I forgot to spellcheck it. Thanks. > [@Really Not All That Bright](#): > > Anyway, exactly who are these hypothetical people? Why do they need defending? They are simply people who for the most part are not all that engaged politically, but who occasionally develop questions about Obama’s birth based upon snippets of information they read or hear about while going through their lives. And they need defending because we’re supposed to be fighting ignorance here, and I’m fighting the ignorant belief that anyone who doesn’t know that Obama was born in Hawaii is stupid, as was being claimed far, far upthread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=34)