# Donald Trump is now a birther **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044 "2011-03-17T17:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/721 "2011-04-22T16:35:26Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Well, I admit I thought there was nothing to it all, but since I followed a link from a guy I work with (he posted on his facebook page) and then sought out the original article that the radio show was talking about, I now know so much more about our President, and frankly, I’m frightened. Frightened at how many people have been and continue to be taken in by this scam. > > [TRUMP UNCOVERS TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA](http://www.citizens4freedom.com/Articles/tabid/1387/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4430/TRUMP-UNCOVERS-TRUTH-ABOUT-OBAMA.aspx) Holy crap, I clicked on this expecting a parody, but this guy is actually serious! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/722 "2011-04-22T16:41:46Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Holy crap, I clicked on this expecting a parody, but this guy is actually serious! > :eek: Aye, as is the guy I work with who posted the link to a radio show that led me to that website. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/723 "2011-04-22T17:04:40Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Holy crap, I clicked on this expecting a parody, but this guy is actually serious! > :eek: Another breath of fresh air! And much like the wind \*\* SA\*\* happily sucks, eerily reminiscent of what recently escaped the tailpipe of my mother’s sick bulldog. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/724 "2011-04-22T17:10:42Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Holy crap, I clicked on this expecting a parody, but this guy is actually serious! > :eek: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Aye, as is the guy I work with who posted the link to a radio show that led me to that website. Stupidity should HURT. Willful ignorance should hurt even more. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/725 "2011-04-22T17:14:56Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > Stupidity should HURT. Willful ignorance should hurt even more. Oh, it does. It does. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/726 "2011-04-22T17:17:04Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > According to this article, Barack Obama is really named Barry Soetoro, he flunked out school at least twice, was a homeless person on drugs, filed illegal false tax returns, never passed the bar, there’s no evidence he was born in Hawaii (or even born at all), illegally obtained a social security number in Connecticut, lived in Pakistan for years, never attended Columbia, somehow obtained a fake diploma, was a CIA drug mule smuggling Afghani heroin into the US, has a history of homosexuality… > > I’m astonished that this was kept secret, but according to the article, “Barry” (if that’s his real name!) has been getting payments from the Saudi royal family for years, in addition to all the money he made as a CIA drug mule, and he’s been spending it like water to keep all this secret. Why would the CIA or the Saudis hire a homeless junkie drop-out to do their bidding? You’d think they could do better. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/727 "2011-04-22T17:34:01Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Another breath of fresh air! And much like the wind \*\* SA\*\* happily sucks, eerily reminiscent of what recently escaped the tailpipe of my mother’s sick bulldog. Wow. I was going to say something about the fresh air smelling like what is coming from my dog’s behind (my mother doesn’t have a bulldog). I’m thinking like Vinyl Turnip! I’m so happy! ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/728 "2011-04-22T18:00:39Z")
I’m on my iPod and the link she no work for me. Does that link go to that whack job radio guy that interviewed Charlie Sheen a month or so ago? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/729 "2011-04-22T18:17:09Z")
> [@singular1](#): > > I’m on my iPod and the link she no work for me. Does that link go to that whack job radio guy that interviewed Charlie Sheen a month or so ago? no, it’s to an article on a website called [citizens4freedom.com](http://citizens4freedom.com) here’s the radio show (via youtube) that was originally linked to: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ko-qFqmKsYQ/hqdefault.jpg "Obama's Hidden Past") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko-qFqmKsYQ) I couldnt listen to much of it, but she gave the website where she got the story she was talking about and I can read faster than she can talk, so I went there. ETA: LOL I just listened to about 2 minutes of it, and one thing she says is “isn’t it weird that he never has any family around him? No mother, no father…” Um, yeah, they’re dead. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/730 "2011-04-22T18:39:41Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Um, yeah, they’re dead. Well, isn’t _that_ just a little too convenient. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/731 "2011-04-22T18:50:46Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > … [TRUMP UNCOVERS TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA](http://www.citizens4freedom.com/Articles/tabid/1387/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4430/TRUMP-UNCOVERS-TRUTH-ABOUT-OBAMA.aspx) … I found the first page I read about this much more convincing, > [@](#): > > [The Dallas Blog](http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2011/04/duhyes-he-isand-yes-he-is-lifetime.html) has just received an e-mail from a reliable source in Texas, who said he received an interesting e-mail from a former U.S. Naval officer, who obtained a fascinating letter from an I.R.S. examiner who contends that Mr. Obama’s real name is Barry Soetoro, according to alleged Top-Secret tax records. > My reliable Texas source explained that he’s not certain if it’s true … I mean, if you can’t trust a chain of forwarded e-mails, what can you trust? Fascinating that Obama was also in on the whole CIA/DEA-Mena-Afghanistan-Contras-cocaine thing, gotta love how none of the rightwingers who believe in that ever seems to connect the final dot . . . it was Reagan’s CIA/DEA! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/732 "2011-04-22T18:58:50Z")
There are no reliable sources in Texas. It’s full of Texans. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/733 "2011-04-22T19:21:46Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > Why would the CIA or the Saudis hire a homeless junkie drop-out to do their bidding? > You’d think they could do better. Affirmative action, of course. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/734 "2011-04-22T19:29:58Z")
In the first place if he is dumb enough to send a group of investigators to Hawaii, to get what the state gives out for free, he is pretty stupid. States have an agency that gives that info out upon request ,assuming you have a genuine legal interest. Trump is lying through his wig. He is just playing to the haters who will believe anything they hear or read that is bad about Obama. Bigotry is playing a big part in this “movement”. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/735 "2011-04-22T22:46:37Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > > [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > > > Stupidity should HURT. Willful ignorance should hurt even more. > > Oh, it does. It does. Not \*\*US \*\*it shouldn’t. We know better. \ ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/736 "2011-04-23T00:01:05Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > Clinton, McCain, and Palin all had the opportunity to prove the Obama was not actually born in Hawaii. And all of them had a very powerful motive to do so. They also had the means. The fact that they couldn’t prove this implies, to me, that no such proof exists. Well of course in this you are correct; none exists. And Donald, like every birther, knows this fact as matter of adamant certainty. A strategic mistake for him then, referring to incoming evidence. Setting out ‘I will provide x facts on such date.’ A date which will be the endpoint of his campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/737 "2011-04-23T00:36:26Z")
> [@Lynn Bodoni](#): > > Stupidity should HURT. Willful ignorance should hurt even more. Not so. Stupidity can’t be helped and we are all willfully ignorant of far more than we can ever know. For example, how many times in the course of the day do you encounter a book or a subject in the news or on this board that you decide not to delve into further? Each time you decide not to read a book you see, or investigate a noise outside, or a link on a news cite or a subject mentioned in the news or a thread you see here on the Dope, you are choosing to be willfully ignorant in regard to that subject. We all do this dozens if not hundreds of times a day. It would be impossible to do otherwise. Perhaps what you mean is that willful ignorance on a subject of importance to you should “hurt”? ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/738 "2011-04-23T00:43:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Each time you decide not to read a book you see, or investigate a noise outside, or a link on a news cite or a subject mentioned in the news or a thread you see here on the Dope, you are choosing to be willfully ignorant in regard to that subject. We all do this dozens if not hundreds of times a day. It would be impossible to do otherwise. > > Perhaps what you mean is that willful ignorance on a subject of importance to you should “hurt”? If someone is willfully ignorant about esoteric details regarding an unimportant story, that’s their prerogative. But, whether your country’s president is illegally in their position should be “a subject of importance” to most people. If I read somewhere that my country’s leader shouldn’t legally be allowed to be in their position, I wouldn’t just read the headline of one article from a disreputable source, choose to believe that they’re correct without getting any corroborating information from other sources, shrug my shoulders and move on. If I did that, I would deliberately willfully ignorant, and unable to defend myself from anyone who (correctly) could call me a moron or worse. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/739 "2011-04-23T01:40:12Z")
Nonsense. As I’ve explained already explained probably a half dozen times, when it comes to something as important as a person’s eligibility to be president, most people realize they have no say so personally in regard to how the issue plays out and they therefore leave it up to congress and the courts to review the evidence and make the correct determination. There were a lot of people who delved mightily into the hanging chad issue in regard to Bush’s 2000 election and were utterly convinced his election was illegitimate. What difference did it make what they found out? The courts determined he won and that was that. Same here. The powers that be have determined Obama’s eligibility, and it doesn’t matter at all whether the average citizen personally finds out about something that supports or challenges that. Also, I think you’d be well served to look up the definition of “moron”, because “People who don’t act the way I think they should” ain’t it. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/740 "2011-04-23T02:05:39Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Also, I think you’d be well served to look up the definition of “moron”, because “People who don’t act the way I think they should” ain’t it. It’s funny you keep saying things like that considering that anyone that disagrees with you gets lumped into the “liberal” category and you put all sorts of negative connotations with that particular word, don’t you? Not to mention how even the term “liberal” is simply a very rough representation of a set of political views. In other words, someone who doesn’t act or think the way you think they should. And who exactly is saying that people who don’t behave they way they think they should are morons. Personally, I’m speaking of people who either flat out ignore actual really real facts or people who decide to form an opinion based on completely sketch information. I’ve different terms entirely for people like your good buddy Trump who tell great big huge fucking lies and spread misinformation simply for profit or just old fashioned attention whoring. Anything else I can clear up for you, or if I need to drop down to simple words (possibly pictures, though I warn you that I’m just lousy at pictionary), you just go right ahead and let me know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=38)