# Donald Trump is now a birther **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044 "2011-03-17T17:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/881 "2011-04-27T19:51:21Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > AS always, it is not about the long form. I knew it would not silence the nuts. They make Area 51 look mainstream. SA can not be reached. He was never going to be satisfied. He said all he wanted was a release of the long form. Did anyone believe that? Ummm, does the phrase “FUCK NO” cover it? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/882 "2011-04-27T19:55:06Z")
The most interesting information for me is his birth time, which gives Aquarius rising with Jupiter. Of course, had I known this, I would have voted for McCain. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/883 "2011-04-27T20:31:10Z")
> [@Skip](#): > > [Red State](http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/04/27/barack-obama-to-release-his-long-form-birth-certificate/) > > Let the goal post moving begin! So Trump is now a “studenter”, “grader”, “transcripter”? What do we call the new movement? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/884 "2011-04-27T20:32:29Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > So Trump is now a “studenter”, “grader”, “transcripter”? What do we call the new movement? Disingenuous. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/885 "2011-04-27T20:37:48Z")
Uncontrolled bowel. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/886 "2011-04-27T21:32:31Z")
bigot ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/887 "2011-04-27T22:16:49Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > Apparently the “Donald” is taking full credit for accomplishing what no one else could: I’d say he’s right. > [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > White House releases the long form BC Hmm…what’s that scribbling on the left hand side of the document which has been chopped off? I bet it’s something incriminating that the White House doesn’t want us to see. 😉 Good on ya, Barack, but you should have done this long ago. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/888 "2011-04-27T22:29:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’d say he’s right. > Good on ya, Barack, but you should have done this long ago. He shouldn’t have _had_ to, but for the raving loons you pal around with. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/889 "2011-04-27T22:36:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’d say he’s right. > > Hmm…what’s that scribbling on the left hand side of the document which has been chopped off? I bet it’s something incriminating that the White House doesn’t want us to see. > > 😉 > > Good on ya, Barack, but you should have done this long ago. Why? It proves the original short form was legal , valid and accurate like everyone was telling you for the last 3 years. Why does the president have to react to people asking for very stupid things? He has other things to do. Trump was the carnival barker. He was leading very bigoted people down a dead end. They kept telling you people .but you just don’t know when to quit. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/890 "2011-04-27T22:43:50Z")
It appears that neither the freepers nor the usual suspects here are good losers. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/891 "2011-04-27T23:02:30Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It appears that neither the freepers nor the usual suspects here are good losers. Obama’s “long form” birth certificate looks suspiciously like mine from Maryland, issued in 1957. Neither of those is a valid legal document anymore. What is a legal document is the “short form” which Obama made public in 2008, which looks suspiciously like mine from Maryland, issued in 2003. Both of those are derived from the original, and are valid legal documents for all purposes requiring proof of place of birth. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/892 "2011-04-27T23:04:53Z")
To be a good loser, one has to have lost something. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/893 "2011-04-27T23:07:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It appears that neither the freepers nor the usual suspects here are good losers. You and the other birthers were the losers. It was exactly as Obama said long ago. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/894 "2011-04-27T23:13:08Z")
Nope, not gonna let you get away with that. I was never a birther. ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/895 "2011-04-27T23:15:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nope, not gonna let you get away with that. I was never a birther. Where do you think Obama was born? You’d think with all the uncertainty you’d take this simple step to clear up the controversy. People have legitimate questions about your birther status. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/896 "2011-04-27T23:17:58Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I was never a birther. No, just an apologist for them… ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/897 "2011-04-27T23:30:48Z")
I, for one, consider the matter closed. Let us never speak of it again. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/898 "2011-04-27T23:32:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’d say he’s right. Yes. Because some grandstanding publicity whore managed to lie enough to get the President of the United States to prove that he was an american citizen. What a proud fucking day for America. Some bloated moron born with a silver spoon up his ass managed to rile up enough idiots that just can’t believe that their guy lost to make the President of the United States stop being president to quiet a bunch of whining children so he could go back to doing his job. Somebody raise the flag so I can sing the national anthem. My ass is so proud of this country. This isn’t a matter of being a good loser. Nobody won this. A spoiled little rich shit managed to sucker enough of the populace to believe in a fucking fairy tale and make the sitting president jump through a hoop, then bragged about it on television. The entire country just lost to a reality television huckster. That you think this is about winning or losing says quite a bit about you. That you think this is something one should be crowing about says quite a bit about you. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/899 "2011-04-27T23:40:20Z")
> [@MacCat](#): > > No, just an apologist for them… Nope, I was never an apologist for them either. You have to keep in mind that birthers were/are people cynically seeking to exploit the issue of Obama’s birth in order to undermine his presidency. What I did was show how innocent people without a birther agenda might legitimately form questions about the issue themselves based on things brought up in the media. > [@Algorithm](#): > > Where do you think Obama was born? You’d think with all the uncertainty you’d take this simple step to clear up the controversy. People have legitimate questions about your birther status. I haven’t said what I think for two reasons. One, I wasn’t talking about my own beliefs. And two, had I said I believed Obama was born in Hawaii, it would only have put the focus more on me and led to even more accusations of birtherism because of the claim that I knew better. Still, I would think that my numerous denials of birtherism, my lack of challenge regarding the document already released and the newspaper birth announcement, and my condemnation of the false information that Trump was putting out would have been a clear enough indicator of my personal belief on the subject. Besides, wouldn’t you think it would be pretty much a case of shutting the barn door after the horse got out for me to proclaim his Hawaiian birth at this point? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/900 "2011-04-27T23:48:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nope, I was never an apologist for them either. You have to keep in mind that birthers were/are people cynically seeking to exploit the issue of Obama’s birth in order to undermine his presidency. What I did was show how innocent people without a birther agenda might legitimately form questions about the issue themselves based on things brought up in the media. Nonsense. You didn’t show shit. Nor have you ever stated that you believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. You can say it now, can’t you? “Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.” C’mon, try it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=46)