# Donald Trump is now a birther **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044 "2011-03-17T17:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/901 "2011-04-27T23:48:53Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > My ass is so proud of this country. Sadly, I doubt the converse is true. > [@Harborwolf](#): > > That you think this is something one should be crowing about says quite a bit about you. **Darth\_Hamsandwich** mockingly stated that Trump was taking credit for Obama having released the original document. Since it’s obvious that Trump was responsible for creating the ruckus that led to the release of it, I said he was right in taking credit for it. It was a simple statement of fact. No crowing involved. Or are we not, here on the smartest message board on the planet and which is devoted to fighting ignorance, not permitted to make certain statements of fact simply because we don’t like the person they pertain to, without having our motives or the content of our statement contorted? You are doing neither the country, your ass, nor yourself proud. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/902 "2011-04-27T23:48:58Z")
SA was absolutely a birther or he played one on the Dope. He can not weasel his way out now. He has been our carnival barker for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/903 "2011-04-27T23:52:06Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Yes. Because some grandstanding publicity whore managed to lie enough to get the President of the United States to prove that he was an american citizen. What a proud fucking day for America. Some bloated moron born with a silver spoon up his ass managed to rile up enough idiots that just can’t believe that their guy lost to make the President of the United States stop being president to quiet a bunch of whining children so he could go back to doing his job. Somebody raise the flag so I can sing the national anthem. My ass is so proud of this country. > This isn’t a matter of being a good loser. Nobody won this. A spoiled little rich shit managed to sucker enough of the populace to believe in a fucking fairy tale and make the sitting president jump through a hoop, then bragged about it on television. The entire country just lost to a reality television huckster. > > That you think this is about winning or losing says quite a bit about you. That you think this is something one should be crowing about says quite a bit about you. +1 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/904 "2011-04-27T23:53:58Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Nonsense. You didn’t show shit. Certainly I did. And I was so effective at it that a dozen pages (plus a couple of angry PMs) were spawned in an effort to contradict it. > [@Frank](#): > > Nor have you ever stated that you believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. Correct. And for the reasons I stated in the post just above. > [@Frank](#): > > You can say it now, can’t you? “Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.” C’mon, try it. I answered this in the post just above too. ETA: And by “post just above”, I mean post 899. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/905 "2011-04-27T23:56:27Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > SA was absolutely a birther or he played one on the Dope. He can not weasel his way out now. He has been our carnival barker for a long time. **SA** isn’t a birther and never pretended to be. No weaseling required. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/906 "2011-04-28T00:00:45Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Certainly I did. And I was so effective at it that a dozen pages (plus a couple of angry PMs) were spawned in an effort to contradict it. You have failed to show how one follows from the other. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/907 "2011-04-28T00:01:32Z")
No. You’re not a birther. It’s just that, in your unfortunate ‘just asking questions’ phase, it was pure coincidence that you were innocently asking the exact same questions every retarded birther has been parroting for two years. Just bad luck, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/908 "2011-04-28T00:02:36Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Nonsense. You didn’t show shit. Precisely… ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/909 "2011-04-28T00:04:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I haven’t said what I think for two reasons. One, I wasn’t talking about my own beliefs. And two, had I said I believed Obama was born in Hawaii, it would only have put the focus more on me and led to even more accusations of birtherism because of the claim that I knew better. > > Still, I would think that my numerous denials of birtherism, my lack of challenge regarding the document already released and the newspaper birth announcement, and my condemnation of the false information that Trump was putting out would have been a clear enough indicator of my personal belief on the subject. > > Besides, wouldn’t you think it would be pretty much a case of shutting the barn door after the horse got out for me to proclaim his Hawaiian birth at this point? Innocent, disinterested people could easily skim this thread and be unsure as to your birther status. It would be trivial to confirm that you aren’t by simply stating that you believe President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. One has to wonder why you haven’t done so yet. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/910 "2011-04-28T00:06:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I haven’t said what I think for two reasons. One, I wasn’t talking about my own beliefs. And two, had I said I believed Obama was born in Hawaii, it would only have put the focus more on me and led to even more accusations of birtherism because of the claim that I knew better. You forgot that 3) You don’t think. You just react. You’re run entirely on a “liberals bad” reflex. What a craven partisan hack. And pathetic little toady that you are, you’ve already jumped on to the “He didn’t get good enough grades to go to Harvard” bandwagon with your hero. Got the cite yet on those grades or are you waiting for Trump’s investigators to finish their work.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/911 "2011-04-28T00:07:09Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > No. You’re not a birther. It’s just that, in your unfortunate ‘just asking questions’ phase, it was pure coincidence that you were innocently asking the exact same questions every retarded birther has been parroting for two years. Just bad luck, I suppose. No, all one had to do was read or watch news articles on television to pick up reports of the questions on Obama’s birth. You think perhaps birthers got their questions from the same source, or did the news get their questions from the birthers? Either way, an innocent person could easily encounter the questions without being a birther. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/912 "2011-04-28T00:09:02Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > you’ve already jumped on to the “He didn’t get good enough grades to go to Harvard” bandwagon with your hero… I did no such thing. I merely cleared up confusion as to what Trump’s point was, as opposed to his alleged “racist dog whistling”. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/913 "2011-04-28T00:11:36Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Still, I would think that my numerous denials of birtherism, my lack of challenge regarding the document already released and the newspaper birth announcement, and my condemnation of the false information that Trump was putting out would have been a clear enough indicator of my personal belief on the subject. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I answered this in the post just above too. > > ETA: And by “post just above”, I mean post 899. In fact, you did not. (Post 899 quoted above.) Where in that post did you state, “Barack Obama was born in Hawaii”? I must have missed it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/914 "2011-04-28T00:11:57Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Certainly I did. And I was so effective at it that a dozen pages (plus a couple of angry PMs) were spawned in an effort to contradict it. A train wreck does the same for the number of people it attracts. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Correct. And for the reasons I stated in the post just above. > I answered this in the post just above too. So you are defending some losers that lost again by posing as winner. That is a very tacky way to claim a victory. Reminds me of a defensive football player that tackled the guy carrying the ball and the defender jumped up and celebrated like if had made a winning play, only to have a team member of the ball carrier tap on the shoulder of the celebrator and point at the scoreboard showing that the game was almost over and the team of the defender was losing by 20 or so points. It was such a tacky performance by the defender that it even made it to the highlight reel of the NFL humiliating that player again. Our tape here shows that we were all correct on the validity of the certificate that Obama first produced, jumping up and down claiming victory for successfully making Obama look for more evidence is not a victory of yours as you were not involved on this; because, per your own words, you are not one of them, so any victories are second hand imaginations of yours. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/915 "2011-04-28T00:14:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Either way, an innocent person could easily encounter the questions without being a birther. An _innocent_ person? No, ignorant, apathetic and lazy are the correct terms… ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/916 "2011-04-28T00:15:40Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > In fact, you did not. (Post 899 quoted above.) Where in that post did you state, “Barack Obama was born in Hawaii”? I must have missed it. You didn’t find it there because that wasn’t my claim. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/917 "2011-04-28T00:18:28Z")
Well, who’s more innocent than the mentally handicapped. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/918 "2011-04-28T00:20:03Z")
> [@MacCat](#): > > An _innocent_ person? No, ignorant, apathetic and lazy are the correct terms… We’re all ignorant and apathetic about far more than we are knowledgeable and concerned, and I don’t think “lazy” really counts because how much effort would it take? Not caring or relying upon courts and the Congress to resolve the issue is not lazy; it’s what we’re supposed to do in regard to issues we can’t, as individual citizens, resolve ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/919 "2011-04-28T00:22:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Not caring or relying upon courts and the Congress to resolve the issue is not lazy; it’s what we’re supposed to do in regard to issues we can’t, as individual citizens, resolve ourselves. If people had relied on the courts and Congress to resolve the “issue” of Obama’s birth, the manufactured controversy would never have existed. ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/920 "2011-04-28T00:23:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > my condemnation of the false information that Trump was putting out What ‘false information’ were you condemning? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=47)