# Donald Trump is now a birther **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044 "2011-03-17T17:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/921 "2011-04-28T00:23:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Sadly, I doubt the converse is true. > **Darth\_Hamsandwich** mockingly stated that Trump was taking credit for Obama having released the original document. Since it’s obvious that Trump was responsible for creating the ruckus that led to the release of it, I said he was right in taking credit for it. It was a simple statement of fact. No crowing involved. Once again you think this is something that someone should be proud to take credit for. How fucking pathetic. A blatant opportunist pretending to be interested in a run for president so he can get more publicity for himself lied to the country and found enough brain dead chumps that would fall for something he damn well knew was a lie to make the leader of our country have to prove something that no person with an I.Q. large enough to manage the task of wiping their own ass even doubted in the first place. That’s something deserving of blame, not credit. But you just don’t get that. All you can think about is your precious belief that liberals have taken your country from you. What a fucking hack. > [@](#): > > Or are we not, here on the smartest message board on the planet and which is devoted to fighting ignorance, not permitted to make certain statements of fact simply because we don’t like the person they pertain to, without having our motives or the content of our statement contorted? Stop pretending to be noble. You’re a coward. Stop posting about fighting ignorance. For one thing, it’s a cutesy tag line used to sell a snarky Q&A column. Not some deep abiding credo. Not to mention that this is the part of said message board where people yell at each other for not tipping enough and not liking cats. For another, considering that you’ve been excusing the ignorance of people that cannot grasp things like facts I don’t think you get to even say anything about “fighting ignorance.” All you are is one of the gullible fucks that will vote for this publicity seeking con man, and all he his is a richer version of the cast of the Jersey fucking Shore. This has nothing to do making statements of “fact,” facts being something you wouldn’t recognize. This has nothing to do with Trump being someone I don’t like, though I dare say I’ve good cause to not like him. And there are no statements being contorted. You think this is a “victory.” You think that credit is deserved. A con man made the entire country look like chumps. We should all be ashamed and embarassed. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/922 "2011-04-28T00:24:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You didn’t find it there because that wasn’t my claim. Your claim didn’t answer my question, did it? Why cannot you say, “Barack Obama was born in Hawaii”? If you’re not a birther, and you believe that is a true statement, it shouldn’t be that difficult. What’s stopping you? ---
**Author:** ![Skip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@Skip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skip)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/923 "2011-04-28T00:33:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Certainly I did. And I was so effective at it that a dozen pages (plus a couple of angry PMs) were spawned in an effort to contradict it. It’s been a dozen pages because you refuse to answer the simplest questions. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/924 "2011-04-28T01:55:10Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Your claim didn’t answer my question, did it? Why cannot you say, “Barack Obama was born in Hawaii”? If you’re not a birther, and you believe that is a true statement, it shouldn’t be that difficult. What’s stopping you? I’m curious why you so desperately want him to say it. Why do you even care? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/925 "2011-04-28T02:03:13Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Since it’s obvious that Trump was responsible for creating the ruckus that led to the release of it, I said he was right in taking credit for it. It was a simple statement of fact. No crowing involved. Except that it’s not even close to fact. It’s just your assessment based on the coincidence of timing. It’s my contention that President Obama released his long form birth certificate **today** , to flip the bird to World Net Daily and Jerome Corsi, who were hoping to try to financially capitalize on this retarded issue, with the following book that’s set to go to print **tomorrow** , titled: [Where’s the Birth Certificate?](http://superstore.wnd.com/books/WND-Books/Wheres-the-Birth-Certificate-AutographedHardcover) And lookie here at the cool swag and goodies you can buy and display (if you still want to look like a fucking idiot to the entire universe)! [Where’s the Birth Certificate YARD SIGN!!](http://superstore.wnd.com/specialty-items/birth-certificate/Wheres-The-Birth-Certificate-Yard-and-Rally-Sign-28-x-22-Inch-Folded-28-x-11-Inch) (Feel free to pay as much as $5,000 for it!) [Where’s The Birth Certificate Magnetic/Easy-Off Adhesive Bumper Sticker](http://superstore.wnd.com/specialty-items/birth-certificate/Wheres-The-Birth-Certificate-Magnetic-Easy-Off-Adhesive-Bumper-Sticker_2) Why, if you were so inclined, you could even donate up to $5,000 [to fund the “Where’s the Birth Certificate” television Ad Campaign](http://superstore.wnd.com/specialty-items/Wheres-the-Birth-Certificate-TV-ad-campaign)!! Drudge has this to say about the book’s release: > [@](#): > > Will the president’s attorneys attempt to interfere with the book’s distribution? [The publisher vows to vigorously fight any legal action that may be taken.] > > [http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm](http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm) HA HA HA! Now he doesn’t have to lift a finger to damage the book’s “distribution”. It’s going to go down in flames as the piece of toilet paper it is. President Obama just dumped a gigantic, steaming pile of shit on these ignorant fuckers and their effort to destroy him the way they falsely destroyed John Kerry. _That’s_ why he finally released the long form birth certificate. Donald Trump just happened to get in the fucking way, as usual. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/926 "2011-04-28T02:03:16Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > I’m curious why you so desperately want him to say it. Why do you even care? Can I play, too? Why do you care that he cares? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/927 "2011-04-28T02:04:47Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > I’m curious why you so desperately want him to say it. Why do you even care? He keeps claiming he’s not a birther, but has shown no evidence that he is not. Such a statement would prove his claim. Why does he so desperately not want to say it? Why do you even care? ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/928 "2011-04-28T02:09:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I answered this in the post just above too. > > ETA: And by “post just above”, I mean post 899. You are such a fucking coward… and a liar. No one reading your posts think you are coming off as noble as you are trying to pretend to be. Disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/929 "2011-04-28T02:09:26Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > Can I play, too? Why do you care that he cares? Why do you care that he cares that he cares? Why do I care that you care that he cares that he cares? Why haven’t the care bears made the same comeback as my little pony? What were we talking about again? ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/930 "2011-04-28T02:12:07Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > He keeps claiming he’s not a birther, but has shown no evidence that he is not. Such a statement would prove his claim. > > Why does he so desperately not want to say it? > > Why do you even care? I don’t. But you seem to be obsessing over it. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/931 "2011-04-28T02:15:42Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > I don’t. But you seem to be obsessing over it. Well, you know, I’ve been in this 930-post thread arguing with him, and I’m fairly sure I’ve read every post in this thread. Where’ve you been? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/932 "2011-04-28T02:17:15Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Well, you know, I’ve been in this 930-post thread arguing with him, and I’m fairly sure I’ve read every post in this thread. Where’ve you been? He was in the can. All you can eat taco special. Just got out. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/933 "2011-04-28T02:23:35Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Well, you know, I’ve been in this 930-post thread arguing with him, and I’m fairly sure I’ve read every post in this thread. Where’ve you been? Well I most definitely haven’t read the 18 page thread. I didn’t know you two had a history. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/934 "2011-04-28T02:24:41Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > He was in the can. All you can eat taco special. Just got out. If only this weren’t true. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/935 "2011-04-28T02:28:38Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > If only this weren’t true. If only I hadn’t been the person after you to use the can. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/936 "2011-04-28T02:34:54Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > If only I hadn’t been the person after you to use the can. I meant to refill the toilet paper. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/937 "2011-04-28T02:39:24Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Why haven’t the care bears made the same comeback as my little pony? Good goddamn question! Sure, Obama showed us his birth certificate but what has he done for us lately? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/938 "2011-04-28T02:53:25Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > Well I most definitely haven’t read the 18 page thread. Then what the fuck are you doing sticking your hand in here? Do you _want_ to draw back a bloody stump? You have no idea of the history of the thread, of the arguments or the hijacks, and you apparently have no idea of the posting history of either me or **Starving Artist**. Yet you saunter on in, and act like your post is relevant. Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/939 "2011-04-28T02:57:32Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Then what the fuck are you doing sticking your hand in here? Do you _want_ to draw back a bloody stump? > > You have no idea of the history of the thread, of the arguments or the hijacks, and you apparently have no idea of the posting history of either me or **Starving Artist**. Yet you saunter on in, and act like your post is relevant. Heh. Dude, you need to relax. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/940 "2011-04-28T03:06:50Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > President Obama just dumped a gigantic, steaming pile of shit on these ignorant fuckers and their effort to destroy him the way they falsely destroyed John Kerry. > > _That’s_ why he finally released the long form birth certificate. Donald Trump just happened to get in the fucking way, as usual. So it’s your opinion that despite questions about Obama’s birth first raised during his time in Chicago and then by Hilary Clinton’s campaign, and that have given birth to the, uh, birther movement, and despite continued White House reticience on the issue which has seen the it grow to the point where as of yesterday polls showed that only 38% of the population was convinced Obama was born here and made Trump a front runner in the polls, Obama suddenly and brilliantly decided to release his original certificate simply to undercut sales of a book? I don’t think so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=48)