# Donald Trump is now a birther **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044 "2011-03-17T17:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/941 "2011-04-28T03:14:12Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …grow to the point where as of yesterday polls showed that only 38% of the population was convinced Obama was born here … Uh, what? A bit of a citation here? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/942 "2011-04-28T03:16:00Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > Dude, you need to relax. Nonsense. I’m perfectly content in requiring an answer from **Starving Artist**. What I am uncertain of is why you suddenly show up accusing me of being obsessed or unrelaxed. Have you read **Starving Artist** posts in this thread? And I, for one, am not going to spend the next two hours blaming a sleep medication for my inability to answer my opponents logically and with thought. Instead, I shall simply go to bed. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/943 "2011-04-28T03:18:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Uh, what? A bit of a citation here? [Certainement.](http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-04-27-obama-birth-certificate_n.htm?csp=34news) > [@](#): > > A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll released Monday showed the issue gaining surprising traction, given that investigations by news outlets and non-partisan organizations consistently concluded there was no question about Obama’s place of birth. In the poll, taken last week, only 38% of Americans said they thought the president was “definitely” born in the United States; 18% said he “probably” was. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/944 "2011-04-28T03:21:23Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Uh, what? A bit of a citation here? You’re new here, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/945 "2011-04-28T03:22:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > by Hilary Clinton’s campaign Liar. > [@](#): > > continued White House reticience on the issue You misspelled “bemusement and irritation”. > [@](#): > > only 38% of the population was convinced Obama was born here If true, is that a comment on Obama or on the population? > [@](#): > > and made Trump a front runner in the polls It’s called “having a laugh on the pollsters” [/quote] > [@](#): > > I don’t think so. Or much. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/946 "2011-04-28T03:23:05Z")
There were no legitimate questions. Obama gave up his birth certificate a long time ago. This latest certificate proves what he said was true, that he gave his birth info accurately 3 years ago. In case you can not digest the truth, he gave his birth information accurately and completely. So claiming he did not or that he was covering up is wrong. The conclusion is they trumped up a story that appealed to some nut cases and bigots. But Obama’s information that he gave 3 years ago was accurate and valid. You birthers were wrong and you should have accepted the proof he offered. It is after all legal proof of birth. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/947 "2011-04-28T03:26:04Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So it’s your opinion that despite questions about Obama’s birth first raised during his time in Chicago and then by Hilary Clinton’s campaign Hillary never asked any questions about it or made it the slightest issue. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/948 "2011-04-28T03:26:27Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > And I, for one, am not going to spend the next two hours blaming a sleep medication for my inability to answer my opponents logically and with thought. Instead, I shall simply go to bed. I believe all I’ve ever done is apologize in advance for any typos or odd grammar caused by said sleeping medication, and even then only a couple of times and so far as I can recall in good humor. To wit: > [@](#): > > Sorry, I’ve just taken my nightly Ambien and will be incoherent soon. (Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know…) Anyway, I haven’t followed Trump’s dealings all that closely over the last couple of decades, but the companies I’m aware of that went bankrupt, such as the casinos in New Jersey and so forth, were companies in which Trump had minority stock holdings of only 5% or less. They bore his name but were not owned or managed by him. > [@](#): > > I would try to break all that down into more readable paragraphs but the Ambien pill I took half an hour ago is making the typing of even these words without error difficult enough. So I’ll leave them as they are for you to rummage about it if you wish, or you can forego reading it and simply skip ahead to calling me a moron, which would almost certainly be the end result anyway. Once again you reveal the dishonesty, both intellectual and factual, that has come to define you on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/949 "2011-04-28T03:27:38Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Hillary never asked any questions about it or made it the slightest issue. I believe her camp did, and it was that which prompted the original release of the standard, legal document. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/950 "2011-04-28T03:29:03Z")
Hey SA, How you doin’? Care to admit you were wrong yet? Or are you still a sickening liar unable to scrape up even trivial levels of integrity? You’re just rancid, cowardly filth, you know? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/951 "2011-04-28T03:29:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I believe her camp did, and it was that which prompted the original release of the standard, legal document. You believe incorrectly. The issue was never raised by Hillary’s campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/952 "2011-04-28T03:31:01Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I believe her camp did, and it was that which prompted the original release of the standard, legal document. So when you said “Hillary Clinton’s campaign” you really meant “people who have no actual affiliation to Hillary Clinton or her campaign”? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/953 "2011-04-28T03:44:33Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You believe incorrectly. The issue was never raised by Hillary’s campaign. [Here’s an article](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton.html) that outlines the issue’s history starting when Obama was in Chicago and states that it was an anonymous email from Hillary’s supporters that triggered the issue nationally. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/954 "2011-04-28T03:53:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > [Here’s an article](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton.html) that outlines the issue’s history starting when Obama was in Chicago and states that it was an anonymous email from Hillary’s supporters that triggered the issue nationally. Surely you see the difference between Hillary’s campaign and Hillary’s supporters. I’ve seen no evidence that her campaign was behind the rumors. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/955 "2011-04-28T03:57:11Z")
> [@Algorithm](#): > > So when you said “Hillary Clinton’s campaign” you really meant “people who have no actual affiliation to Hillary Clinton or her campaign”? As it turns out they seem to have no “official” affiliation to her campaign (though we all know that neither she nor her husband are above any dirty trick they can think of). At any rate, I seemed to recall the question originating from her camp and didn’t parse it down to campaign vs. supporters. Does it really matter that much? The point is that this “retarded” issue first rose to national prominance during Obama’s challenge to Hillary and was not created by a right-wing “birther” conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/956 "2011-04-28T03:58:23Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > Surely you see the difference between Hillary’s campaign and Hillary’s supporters. I’ve seen no evidence that her campaign was behind the rumors. You are correct, as I’ve just noted in my post to **Algorithm**. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/957 "2011-04-28T04:06:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > [Here’s an article](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton.html) that outlines the issue’s history starting when Obama was in Chicago and states that it was an anonymous email from Hillary’s supporters that triggered the issue nationally. In other words, nothing to do with Hillary’s campaign. She’s not responsible for what “anonymous supporters” say on the internet, nor do we even know that they were really her supporters. I can write anonymous letters claiming to be a Palin supporter accusing Donald Trump of being a dog fucker. Does that mean the “Palin camp” would be accusing Trump of being a dog fucker? Hillary never gave this birther crap the slightest credence. Obama started his stopthesmears site after the birther claims starting cropping up on right wing sites like New Republic. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/958 "2011-04-28T04:10:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … though we all know that neither she nor her husband are above any dirty trick they can think of … Hell, they even had their friend Vince Foster murdered! :rolleyes: CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/959 "2011-04-28T04:10:44Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > In other words, nothing to do with Hillary’s campaign. She’s not responsible for what “anonymous supporters” say on the internet, nor do we even know that they were really her supporters. I can write anonymous letters claiming to be a Palin supporter accusing Donald Trump of being a dog fucker. Does that mean the “Palin camp” would be accusing Trump of being a dog fucker? > > Hillary never gave this birther crap the slightest credence. Obama started his stopthesmears site after the birther claims starting cropping up on right wing sites like New Republic. I’m happy to concede that Hillary and/or her campaign played no evident role in making an issue of Obama’s birth, though I reiterate that the issue appears have first come to national prominence as a result of left-wing political engineering. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044/960 "2011-04-28T04:12:03Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Hell, they even had their friend Vince Foster murdered! > > :rolleyes: > CMC fnord! Don’t roll your eyes at me; I never said that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-is-now-a-birther/575044.md?page=49)