# Donald Trump more popular than Hillary Clinton **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2017, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632 "2017-07-19T09:31:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/81 "2017-07-19T19:41:28Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I’m not necessarily directing this at you, but I’ve read numerous threads and posts calling out Hillary Clinton for her voting record, and yet there’s another thread in which most people suggest that Joe Biden would have won and would have been a better candidate – despite the fact that their voting record was the same on some key votes. He voted for the Iraq war in 2003 but voted against it in 1990. I guess he figured he didn’t want to miss out on another unpopular war this time. Biden voted to repeal Glass Steagal – hell, even Hillary Clinton didn’t do that. How do people reconcile this? How is it not sexism? You mean different people have different things they find important and sometimes threads with different people say conflicting things? Obviously, the logical conclusion is that the people who don’t agree with you hate women. It couldn’t possibly be that you’re taking the opinions of different people in different threads and sticking them together, then finding a contradiction! No, clearly it’s all just hatred of women, and anyone who criticizes St Hillary is doing so because they’re sexist. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/82 "2017-07-19T19:43:25Z")
Of course the people who have deep misunderstandings about American society would be surprised that the Loser would be looked upon less favorably than the Winner. Only someone who has no more than a casual acquaintance with American culture could be surprised at this outcome. Less than a year after the greatest upset in the history of American politics, you thought the Loser would be liked more than the Winner. Wow. If you are inside the US, please unplug and take a walk. If you are outside, please idk read Mark Twain or something. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/83 "2017-07-19T19:44:19Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I’m not necessarily directing this at you, but I’ve read numerous threads and posts calling out Hillary Clinton for her voting record, and yet there’s another thread in which most people suggest that Joe Biden would have won and would have been a better candidate – despite the fact that their voting record was the same on some key votes. He voted for the Iraq war in 2003 but voted against it in 1990. I guess he figured he didn’t want to miss out on another unpopular war this time. Biden voted to repeal Glass Steagal – hell, even Hillary Clinton didn’t do that. How do people reconcile this? How is it not sexism? It’s not sexism per se. People see Joe as an affable genuine nice guy type while Hillary is noted for being cold and phony. There may be some sexism that plays into the background of all this but when comparing the two as presidential candidates Biden has a clear edge in the personality thing. You could also say that he is more qualified having been VP for 8 years and having been elected to office more times than Hillary but I’m not sure that really factors into it. Take away all other differences and there could be some sexism that favors Biden, but in light of the other circumstances it doesn’t come into play. ---
**Author:** ![Cornelius\_Tuggerson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Cornelius\_Tuggerson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cornelius_Tuggerson)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/84 "2017-07-19T20:00:55Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > … Joe Biden would have won and would have been a better candidate … hell, even Hillary Clinton didn’t do that. How do people reconcile this? How is it not sexism? Diamond Joe is a supremely charismatic guy. His speeches don’t sound like a list of charges from a grand jury indictment. Hillary on the other hand suffers from a profound lack of charisma. Didn’t matter to me or my cohort, but out there in flyover country “would I wanna throw back a beer or six with him/her” is a major factor. I highly doubt that the desire for a candidate that is genuine-looking and personable is a gender thing, likely loads of women out there fitting that description, Hillary just isn’t one of them. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/85 "2017-07-19T20:08:44Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > You mean different people have different things they find important and sometimes threads with different people say conflicting things? Obviously, the logical conclusion is that the people who don’t agree with you hate women. It couldn’t possibly be that you’re taking the opinions of different people in different threads and sticking them together, then finding a contradiction! No, clearly it’s all just hatred of women, and anyone who criticizes St Hillary is doing so because they’re sexist. I noticed you didn’t really address the question. I didn’t figure you would. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/86 "2017-07-19T20:20:21Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > It’s not sexism per se. **People see Joe as an affable genuine nice guy type while Hillary is noted for being cold and phony.** Right, and so why is it that Joe Biden is “affable and genuine” when he’s voting for policies that, in the opinion of many who bang on about Hillary Clinton, resulted in a ruinous foreign conflict and nearly destroyed our financial system. Why does one get a free pass while the other is basically a witch? > [@TriPolar](#): > > There may be some sexism that plays into the background I think that’s what I’m saying. And perhaps if you took time to talk with a woman who’s fighting tooth and nail to be viewed as an equal by a fraternity of her superiors in the world of IT and finance, they’d probably tell you that “some sexism that plays into the background” has real world consequences. From the male perspective, it’s in the background; from the female perspective, it’s reality and very much in the foreground. > [@TriPolar](#): > > of all this but when comparing the two as presidential candidates Biden has a clear edge in the personality thing. You could also say that he is more qualified having been VP for 8 years and having been elected to office more times than Hillary but I’m not sure that really factors into it. Take away all other differences and there could be some sexism that favors Biden, but in light of the other circumstances it doesn’t come into play. Could be? More like absolutely. I remember when Hillary decided that her idea of being First Lady wasn’t just wearing dresses, standing by her husband’s side, and smiling when the cameras were on. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/87 "2017-07-19T20:24:19Z")
> [@Cornelius\_Tuggerson](#): > > Diamond Joe is a supremely charismatic guy. His speeches don’t sound like a list of charges from a grand jury indictment. Hillary on the other hand suffers from a profound lack of charisma. Didn’t matter to me or my cohort, but out there in flyover country “would I wanna throw back a beer or six with him/her” is a major factor. I highly doubt that the desire for a candidate that is genuine-looking and personable is a gender thing, likely loads of women out there fitting that description, Hillary just isn’t one of them. Is there a female politician who is well-known for having “charisma”? Who do we think of when we think of charismatic leaders? Who do we think of when we think of presidents? Is there a female politician who can get away with saying some of things that have slipped out of Joe’s mouth? See, that’s my point. Men are charismatic. Men are brave and bold. Being a woman and going after power is still apparently very un-womanly. Deny it all you all want, but you’re getting intellectually burned here and you know it. Don’t get me wrong - I like Joe Biden and would have gladly voted for him as a nominee. But don’t deny that there’s a double-standard. I’m relieved to see that few people are disagreeing that a) they are pretty much cut from the same cloth and b) that they have a different reputation. It seems what people are resisting is the charge that Hillary Clinton was a victim of male chauvinism, and it seems like that whereas might accept that such a thing exists along the right side of the political spectrum, people on the left are really pushing back at such charges. I think I’ve probably exposed something here. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/88 "2017-07-19T20:31:02Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > [Poll: Hillary Clinton is less popular than Trump.](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/18/poll_hillary_clinton_is_less_popular_than_trump.html) > > Roll that around in your head for a moment. According to people in the USA, an accomplished and generally successful secretary of state, senator, and first lady, whose main negatives involve an email server nobody should have ever cared about and a handful of insane conspiracy theories, is somehow less popular than a sitting president currently under investigation for obstruction of justice because he fired the person investigating links between his campaign and Russia during the election. > > The United States of America: nuke it from orbit. :mad: Interesting article. According to Nwanevu of The Slatest; _According to Bloomberg, more than a fifth of Clinton voters now say they view her unfavorably compared with only 8 percent of likely Clinton voters saying the same in Bloomberg’s last poll before the election. Bloomberg’s John McCormick writes that interviews with some of those polled suggest that the decline has less to do with Clinton losing than it does with the Democratic Party’s identity crisis. “Many said they wished Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont had won the Democratic nomination,” he writes, “or that they never liked Clinton and only voted for her because she was the lesser of two bad choices.”_ That’s one of way of looking at this issue. However, I prefer the quote attributated directly to Bloomberg; _The former secretary of state has always been a polarizing figure, but this survey shows she’s even lost popularity among those who voted for her in November._ It should be obvious to even the most casual observer that Hillary could not get a lower rating, then or now, from Republicans. Ol’ Hillary’s low rating is a direct result of her loss of favor with the Democrat collective. Democrats don’t like her. It’s interesting that there are still Democrats who support/excuse/pity ol’ Hillary. When ol’ Hillary lost, again, the Clintons lost the last of their political clout. It’s also interesting that there are still Democrats who simply do not understand how U.S. Presidents have been elected. According to the well-established existing rules, ol’ Hillary lost the only race for President that actually exists. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/89 "2017-07-19T20:37:51Z")
What is this “Democrat collective” you speak of? And how do you know how it thinks? ---
**Author:** ![Cornelius\_Tuggerson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Cornelius\_Tuggerson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cornelius_Tuggerson)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/90 "2017-07-19T20:37:51Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Is there a female politician who is well-known for having “charisma”? Sure hope Michelle Obama doesn’t lurk here. > [@asahi](#): > > Is there a female politician who can get away with saying some of things that have slipped out of Joe’s mouth? This is more of a case by case basis. Romney didn’t seem to get away with 47%, Hillary didn’t get away with deplorables, but Trump somehow got away with “grab them”. Depends on the woman, what she says and how her people spin it. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/91 "2017-07-19T20:44:29Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Is there a female politician who is well-known for having “charisma”? Elizabeth Warren Kamala Harris Tammy Duckworth … ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/92 "2017-07-19T20:56:30Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Is there a female politician who is well-known for having “charisma”? … > [@Cornelius\_Tuggerson](#): > > Sure hope Michelle Obama doesn’t lurk here. It would be interesting to see Michelle Obama’s favorability/likeability numbers change after she (hypothetically) declared her candidacy for high office. Because they almost certainly would change, and not for the better. This is well-documented with regard to Hillary herself: people liked her a lot better when she wasn’t asking for a promotion (aka running for office). Whether it’s an American thing or a Human thing, ‘we’ don’t much like women who put themselves forward: > [@](#): > > Since Clinton left the State Department and sought the White House, her likability ratings have capsized. They went from 59 percent of respondents saying they had a favorable impression of her in February 2014 to 41 percent reporting a favorable impression when surveyed this month, according to the Gallup poll. [https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2015/09/09/hillary-clinton-faces-challenges-unique-woman-running-for-office/Zkv99eyLTzAVzskuGnvRPN/story.html](https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2015/09/09/hillary-clinton-faces-challenges-unique-woman-running-for-office/Zkv99eyLTzAVzskuGnvRPN/story.html) ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/93 "2017-07-19T21:01:54Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Whether it’s an American thing or a Human thing, ‘we’ don’t much like women who put themselves forward And that explains Sarah Palin how? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/94 "2017-07-19T21:04:52Z")
When Romney lost to Obama, do you think then became more popular among Republicans, or less? How about McCain? When John Kerry lost to Bush, he was despised. If you lose an election against someone your constituency hates and despises, is that going to make them like you more, or less? The sole positive result of the 2016 election is at least it means the end of Hillary Clinton in politics. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/95 "2017-07-19T21:05:50Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > And that explains Sarah Palin how? Sarah Palin was elected to a national office? I must have missed that. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/96 "2017-07-19T21:06:19Z")
The average American is about as smart as a banana slug. You didn’t know that? Where have you been? This proud people revolutionized the world, organized an amphibious assault against the continent of Europe, invented the transistorized computer, placed a man on the Moon, and brought him safely back to Earth. Their descent to banana slug-level cognition is remarkable. Perhaps some malware is passing through their information systems, a la computer virus. We can only wish it’s not too contagious, and the outbreak can be confined to the Fifty States. > [@Steophan](#): > > Corrupt, nepotistic politician slightly less popular than other corrupt, nepotistic politician. What’s the shock? IIRC, **Steophan** is a Brit. Perhaps the malware is affecting Anglophones more generally. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/97 "2017-07-19T21:09:50Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > When Romney lost to Obama, do you think then became more popular among Republicans, or less? How about McCain? [They both went up in the polls, apparently.](http://www.gallup.com/poll/212705/hillary-clinton-unique-no-post-election-image-gain.aspx) ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/98 "2017-07-19T21:20:05Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Sarah Palin was elected to a national office? I must have missed that. I didn’t realize his/her comment was only made towards women who pursued national office. And national office only. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/99 "2017-07-19T21:20:15Z")
> [@Pippers](#): > > The election brought out a lot of crap that I thought we, as “enlightened” people, had put beyond us. The consequence of this knowledge is that I’m very angry at white men in particular. you should be angry at white women too, since they voted 53-43 Trump over Clinton. > [@Cornelius\_Tuggerson](#): > > Diamond Joe is a supremely charismatic guy. His speeches don’t sound like a list of charges from a grand jury indictment. Hillary on the other hand suffers from a profound lack of charisma. Didn’t matter to me or my cohort, but out there in flyover country “would I wanna throw back a beer or six with him/her” is a major factor. I highly doubt that the desire for a candidate that is genuine-looking and personable is a gender thing, likely loads of women out there fitting that description, Hillary just isn’t one of them. Like Trump, Biden has a similar “shoot-from-the-hip,” say what pops into your head manner. And a bit of a temper. If nothing else, he could have more effectively shut down Trump’s BS and wouldn’t have let him set the narrative. I’ve re-watched some of the debate footage, and I remember something Jon Stewart said about Clinton on a podcast: > [@The Axe Files](#): > > **STEWART** : What I think about Hillary Clinton is, you know, I imagine to be a very bright woman without the courage of her convictions because I’m not even sure what they are. So, I would suggest that, when I watch her campaign – when I watch her campaign, it reminds me of – and again, I’m throwing out references that mean absolutely nothing to anybody, so I will continue to do that – she reminds me of Magic Johnson’s talk show, and I won’t say anything else. > > **AXELROD** : You had that thought too, huh? > > **STEWART** : If you ever watch Magic Johnson’s tele-- Magic Johnson was a charming individual, but he wasn’t a talk show host, and when you watched his show you could almost see Arsenio’s advice to him, in real time rendering, so he would sit and he would go, "Uh, my first guest tonight – Oh, Arsenio said, enthusiasm is something that “sells” – “my first guess tonight is CHER, EVERYBODY!” But he never seemed authentic and real to his personality. _It seemed like he was wearing an outfit designed by someone else for someone else to be someone else,_ and that is not to say that she is not preferable to Donald Trump, because at this point, I would vote for Mr. T over Donald Trump. But, I think she will be in big trouble if she can’t find a way, and maybe I’m wrong. Maybe a real person doesn’t exist underneath there. I don’t know. (italics mine.) I don’t think Biden would have had that disadvantage. Don’t underestimate how much “appearing genuine” is worth. I look back and can see how Clinton looked not “genuine,” as though she was playing a role. And pretty much every nominee who has run and lost since 1980 has been stilted and dry. Mondale? Board. Dukakis? Plank. Bush I? Timber\*. Dole? 2x4. Gore? Beam. Kerry? Log. McCain? Joist. Romney? Dowel. H. Clinton? Rafter. Winners? - Reagan? “The Great Communicator.” - B. Clinton? Could tell you to go to hell and you’d happily set out convinced the trip was your idea. - Bush II? Folksy, laid-back, “this is who I am.” - Obama? Inspiring orator who could give Reagan and FDR a run for their money. - Trump? “I don’t give a shit what anybody thinks, I’m going to tear down all of this stuff which isn’t working for everyone!” - GHWB was pretty much riding Reagan’s coattails in '88. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632/100 "2017-07-19T21:23:37Z")
The poll doesn’t really mean much. A more useful poll would be a direct comparison: Whom do you view more/less favorably, Clinton or Trump? You’d still get a lot of “less favorables” from Republicans towards Hillary, but few from Democrats. If you ask me if I like beets, I’m going to say no. If you ask me if I like cooked carrots, I’m going to say no. If you ask me which I prefer, I’m going to say cooked carrots over beets any day of the week. Let’s not even go there with the oysters and clams, or whatever that line form Spartacus was! 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/791632.md?page=6)